WTC Janitor Survives Basement Blast - Blows 911 Stor

I agree that facts do not lie. However, facts can be misinterpreted, selectively presented, or truncated to support an existing opinion.

 

Then please explain to me why not ONE of the Pentagon tapes that caught the explosion were released? Explain why the government assigns its OWN investigative team to look into 9-11, and refuses to answer to the publicly organized and ran investigation which punched holes in their "theories"? Explain how NORAD stood down on that one, single day and refused to engage the targets? Could you explain why the government was running live, simulated tests of ramming hijacked airliners into the WTC the day of 9-11? And a Bush as head of security for the buildings? Explain how only Silversteins buildings were demolished, yet other buildings closer to the towers didn't magically fall. And not to mention the hundreds of prior knowledge data such as FBI document W199-I that orders the FBI to stay clear of Bin Laden and al-CIAda prior to 9-11. Explain the fact that no steel structure has ever fallen due to fire in the history of the world, yet on ONE day in 2001, not one....not two...no -THREE magically collapsed due to the "awesome power" of jet fuel. Puh -lease.

The list goes on so long, I don't know why I am even trying here. Like I said before -take the time to go through my information that I linked earlier. I may be crazy, but I am not wrong.

 

You mean that you don't believe it is one. Denial runs deep these days with those who are complacent. You do not want to give up the life you have now, and aything that jeopardizes that is a "theory".

Actually, many already have presented questions that defy logic, and unfortunately, only those scientists that the government allowed had access to the steel. I find it strange how so many are being gagged and people like you believe what is strewn across CNN.

Actually, NORAD really was ordered to view this as a training ops, not a possible hijacking due to the training scenarios that were being ran that day. Just like the bombings in England and how they were running mock drills just like what actually occured that day. Who would believe such a story? Well, I guess just us "crazy" conspiracy theorists.

Your world is sad, and I don't like conversations like this, so I will just apologize to you now and end this conversation because neither of us is going to get anywhere. You are convinced that a few poor sand bums with razor knives pulled off the hat trick of the century, and your commander in chief, Mr. skull and bonesman himself and his Bin Laden business ties and Arbusto Oil entrepreneurship is really all just myth and legend....and I am convinced that idiots really may just grow on trees. No- I am convinced that this topic is not going to go anywhere since I have been on forums for years now doing this, and showing facts, and making posts...and there is no end to people like you who trust government and ignore the truth.

End of story.

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I'm speachless.

Brokor, you are right, this is going nowhere, and never will. There is a not so fine line between trusting the dot gov, and trying to find excuses not to. Excuses of the credible flavor exist in sufficient quantity that looking for others isn't really necessary.

Ghost, check your sig line --.

Sniper, I did NOT give you enough credit for creativity.

 

Here's some info for those interested: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Basically proves the government lied. With facts and evidence.

 

This is interesting...


Michael Moore questions Pentagon strike.mp3 (523KB)

Update, the original article can be found here:
http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/feature.jsp?id=141822&page=2

Marc: Before the showing of Fahrenheit 911, you mentioned you had footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and that you would show it on the film. To date, I have not seen the actual footage. Do you still have it and, if so, why haven't you shown it to the world? Thank You.

Michael Moore: Just the opposite. I said that I don't have the footage and that no one has seen it and isn't it strange that no one saw it?... We saw the twin tower planes crashing a thousand times over and, having filmed at the Pentagon, I noticed that the roof and parking lot had around a hundred cameras surrounding it at least, if not more. There IS footage from numerous angles and we have never seen that. Why is that? I'm not suggesting there wasn't a plane. I'm saying there is a reason why the Government doesn't want the world to see the plane hitting the Pentagon and I'd like to know why that is.

 

That wasn't my point, ghostrider. The point is, Moore actually SAID what he did, which is...

INTERESTING

Like I stated at the beginning of that post. Don't be a wanker.
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To everybody ELSE on the forum: I feel that you may like this next little bit:

Source: http://tvnewslies.org/html/where_the_hell_is_your_9_11_pr.html


Where the Hell Is YOUR Proof?
Jesse, Editor - TvNewsLIES.org - October 2005

THE BACKGROUND

To this day, there has been no independent official inquiry into the attacks of September 11, 2001. The Kean Commission, with which most Americans are familiar, was based on the Bush/PNAC version of events. It was charged with probing the breakdown of intelligence prior to the attacks and making suggestions for improving communications among the competing agencies involved. The Commission, formed after more than a year of opposition by the Bush administration, did not…repeat...did NOT…investigate or report about the causes of the attacks.

Far more important – to this day there has not been a single piece of evidence presented to the public that corroborates the official government version of the most devastating attack in our history. Think about that. For more than four years, scores of credible experts have challenged the explanations offered by the Bush administration, and yet not a shred of evidence has been offered by the US government to support the official version of events they claim took place on that day.

Even more absurd is that fact that not a single official inquiry has attempted to respond to, discredit, or refute the questions that have been raised. On the contrary, both the American government and the complicit media have dealt with the every single challenge to the 9/11 explanations in two ways. They either totally ignore them or dismiss them out of hand as ridiculous conspiracy theories. Most of the well-researched and revealing findings by independent investigators are unknown to the vast majority of Americans.

THE BELIEVERS

Time and time again, when I come across close-minded Bush supporters, I witness the effects of an unexplainable phenomenon: a highly dangerous variation of HIV – a condition I call the Hypocrisy & Illogic Virus. Strangely, the most severe symptoms of this condition seem to manifest themselves during any and all discussions of the events of 9/11,

The disease is easily diagnosed by the appearance of two disabling features: the need to approach all issues of national importance with an air of shameful hypocrisy, and the absolute inability to use any form of logic during discussions of such matters

Collectively, people afflicted with this disorder approach 9/11 as one person. They all blindly believe what they have been told by their government. They all adamantly refuse to listen to any questions that have been raised about inconsistencies in the official version that simply don’t make sense. And if they engage in any dispute about these discrepancies, their arguments are illogical to an extreme, and they are simply unable to follow any rational argument to its conclusion.

The sad reality is that there is no way to convince these brain-washed believers that there may be something more to the story of 9/11 than what they have been told. That’s not too surprising, since most of these people still buy into the Bush/PNAC reasons for invading Iraq. They blindly accept whatever they are told and close their minds tightly to any other information, no matter how factual. They cannot be reached. There is simply no way. The disease is far too endemic to treat with any ordinary approach. They believe as they do, and that’s all there is to it.

So, let’s turn the tables and put the burden of proof on them!!!

I believe that I, and every single person involved in the independent 9/11 research community must ask one question of the people who still believe the official 9/11 story. We must demand that those who accept the Bush/PNAC explanation of the events of that terrible day answer a single question:

“WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR PROOF?”

You claim that the President and his handlers have told you the truth. You refuse to consider the information we show you that punches huge holes into the official version. You refuse to check out the information for yourself. You tell us what we have uncovered is false. Okay, we’ll buy that, we’ll concede that you’re right...and that all of us are wrong.

In fact, we’ll take it all back and admit the errors of our ways IF you do something first. Show us YOUR proof. Tell us why we should believe the story you have swallowed, and show us what you have to back up your claims! You’d better have something more than a borrowed smirk when you tell us we’re way out in left field. You better be ready to answer just one simple question:

Where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? Where the Hell is it?

THE BATTLE

I’m not sure why the independent research community has not yet taken this approach. Why does the burden of proof always fall on the researchers when the evidence they present is ignored? Why is it their burden to convince the non believers that there are legitimate questions about 9/11 that remain unanswered and hard evidence that we’ve all been fooled, big time?

The facts about 9/11 that has been uncovered are dismissed by people who apply unbelievably skewed logic to their opposing argument. They believe a story when the only proof they use to validate the story is the story itself. That’s it! All they know is what they have been told. News reports, video, witnesses, whistle blowers, their own eyes and even common sense contradict their beliefs. Still, these people continue to accuse the researchers of being either crazy or traitorous. What kind of convoluted reasoning has infected such a large segment of the nation?

This is a battle for truth. It’s not a debate over conflicting philosophies. It is a battle between those who are searching for facts and those who choose to deny that a search is necessary. How long do those in blinders have to be engulfed in flames before they believe an independent researcher who warns them of the increasing heat?

The level of denial and resistance can only be explained by understanding a very basic human response: sometimes truth is too painful for people to deal with. In this case, the perpetrators of 9/11 understood that most Americans could not permit themselves to consider the involvement of people within their own government in the dastardly attacks of that day. They could never allow themselves to even consider such a possibility, even though people within the administration had openly professed that just such an event would benefit their cause!

Those responsible for the tragedy clearly understood this aspect of human psychology. That is why they can hide in plain sight without fear of discovery, regardless of how much new evidence is uncovered, and regardless of how many legitimate questions are raised about their connection to the attacks.

As a result, the only effective battle cry at this point must be: Where the Hell is YOUR proof?

I take part in or observe countless discussions on 9/11; often in Internet forums. I read the posts and hear the responses of thousands of people who have not spent five minutes looking at the four years of evidence that has been uncovered by independent researchers. Amazingly, the same people feel fully qualified to dismiss new evidence with an insult or to present their own un-researched, amateurish conclusions. They know nothing about any information that might have been revealed while their heads were buried in the black hole of the mainstream media. But they constantly and vehemently insist that they do.

Without requiring a thimbleful of supportive evidence, these people continue to accept the official story of 9/11. That hypocrisy simply has to end just as our silence in the presence of that hypocrisy has to end. And it has to end now.

THE BLINDED

The ball now must be thrown to the nay sayers, the folks in blinders who believe everything they are told by the WH and its media mouthpieces. They must be held accountable for their unfounded beliefs by challenging them for convincing proof that we are wrong. There is no room here for even a fraction of the challenges that should be made. Still, we have to start somewhere, so let’s at least call for responses from the politically blinded to what follows:

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Where the HELL is YOUR proof that PNAC’s call for a ‘catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor’ was only an unbelievably astounding and timely coincidence rather than a statement that should have raised reasonable suspicion?

In the late 1990’s members of the Project for a New American Century wrote a treatise in which they foresaw a strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination that would require a huge increase in defense spending. “The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” The members of this group, known as PNAC, were appointed to many high level positions in the new Bush administration. Only months after they came to power, the United States experienced a new Pearl Harbor. That has never been publicized or explained as anything other than mere coincidence.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Al Qaeda actually planned and carried out the attacks of 9/11?

In 4 years I have not seen a single bit of proof that Al Qaeda was involved in those events. I have seen some snap shots of Arab men at an airport. I was told a slew of things about these men. I was told that the passport of one of the alleged hijackers miraculously floated to the surface of the rubble, unscathed by the heat that had obliterated thousands. I was told way too much about these men for me to believe that the story was not prepared in advance. Two days was not sufficient time for that kind of information to be uncovered and declassified by our government. Not only did that reek of black ops, but to this day almost nothing of what we were told about he nineteen hijackers has been verified. The tape of Osama bin Laden shown by the government raised questions about the actual identity of the man in the film. As a matter of fact, I watched the so-called confession I with a person whose native is Arabic. He told me that the English translation was misleading. While he rejoiced at their success, nowhere in the tape did Osama admit involvement in the attacks!

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Dick Cheney was NOT conducting drills on 9/11 that paralyzed Air Force responses to the real attacks?

There is irrefutable evidence that Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service on the morning of 9/11, assuring the paralysis of Air Force and its ability to intercept the hijacked planes. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. In fact, Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. When publicly asked about the exercises, that involved simulated attacks by hijacked planes against the WTC, Cheney refused to comment, claiming the information was classified.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Tower 7 collapsed as a result of the attacks?

I have not seen even a single computer model explanation as to how or why Building 7 collapsed in the exact same manner as the two Towers that were hit by airplanes. As a matter of fact Building 7, which sustained no impact at all, was not mentioned in the Kean Commission report at all. The FEMA report of the collapse remains inconclusive, unable to offer a reasonable explanation for the collapse. Larry Silverstein, owner of the complex publicly claimed he gave permission for Tower 7 to be ‘pulled,’ a fire department term for demolished. Demolition of such a building would have required weeks, if not months of preparation. No explanation has ever been given for this baffling anomaly.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that ‘put’ orders placed on the two Airlines involved in the attacks were mere coincidence?

I have never seen the names of the people who placed those orders. I don’t know that their identities have been uncovered of if they have been questioned. I have not seen anyone vindicated of any foreknowledge of 9/11 after making investments that would only pay off if the specific airlines involved were to experience a drop in stock prices.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Porter Goss knew nothing about $100,000 that was wired to Mohammed Atta?

I cannot fathom why the person who was sitting with Porter Goss (our current CIA Director) on the morning of 9/11, and who had wired Mohammed Atta $100,000 just prior to the event, was never investigated. This could be the smoking gun of smoking guns (if you believe that Atta was involved) that has been covered up from the start.

* Where the Hell is YOUR proof that Donald Rumsfeld did not organize an illegal military group that would “provoke terrorist attacks which would then require ‘"counter-attack" by the United States?

Here’s what I know: In the Los Angeles Times, military analyst William Arkin described a secret army set up by Donald Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This "super-intelligence support activity" was designed to bring together the "CIA and military covert action, information warfare, and deception". According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new organization was known as the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG. It was formed to provoke terrorist attacks which would then require "counter-attack" by the United States on countries "harboring the terrorists". Doesn’t that sound exactly like what happened on 9/11?

That’s all I have room for, so I’ll sit back and wait for someone to send me some proof, assuming that a single person out there knows where the Hell it is.

THE BOTTOM LINE

The bottom line is simple: I have not seen anything at all that makes me believe the official story of 9/11, which, when considered on its own merits, is so implausible as to be considered a bad joke. Anyone who reads David Ray Griffin’s book, The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions, needs to go no further than the first chapter before this becomes crystal clear. At that point it becomes very difficult to decide whether to laugh at the ridiculous nature of the official story or to scream with disbelief that the American public still buys into it.

So, once again, I ask the people who refuse to explore the findings of the independent research community, - the only real investigation into the events of September 11th 2001 - where the Hell is YOUR proof?

To those of you who will try to discredit and ridicule this article on forums or in calls to right wing radio, I say this: Research the events of 9/11 in depth, come up with YOUR proof that the official version is credible, or just shut up!

You have a helluva lot of research to do before you are qualified to intelligently debate the events of 9/11 with anyone who has spent more than four years in the independent research effort. Don’t bother to cite official sources to back up your points, since most of them have been debunked. Try to understand that you can not use the authors of the official version to support their own validity. It’s a dumb tactic.

The researchers have done a great deal of valid work. They have been trying to attract your attention so that you can examine it for yourself. They are not asking you to take their word for anything…they just want you to look at and think about what has been uncovered. Do it for your own good, not theirs. Stop arguing against their credibility until you have seen what they have seen, and until you know what they know. Do some homework, then come and talk, but be prepared to show us where the Hell you found YOUR proof, and why we should believe you.

Once again, keep in mind that THE KEAN COMMISSION DID NOT CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION INTO 9/11! It was not their assignment! They were tasked with making recommendations to improve national security based on the official story. They were not asked to find out what happened. They went in with an official account of the events, and were asked to make their recommendations based on what the Bush/PNAC administration wanted the public to believe happened on that day.

Independent researchers are the only people who have investigated the events of 9/11. They have uncovered and presented mountains of evidence that totally expose the official account for what it is; a cover-up, nothing more.

If anyone takes the time to really examine that evidence - and I repeat - evidence, he or she will find something very disturbing yet highly probable. The material that has been amassed strongly suggests complicity in the events of 9/11 by rogue elements within American and foreign governments. But the evidence does NOT point directly to a government conspiracy.

It does however, point to direct involvement by several key members of the Bush/PNAC administration, acting on their own, outside the rule of law, without participation in any mysterious governmental conspiracy. Their motives have been clearly established and published by the culprits themselves and evidence of their involvement has been clearly established by independent research.

There is nothing more to be said. The information is out there for the taking. The books have been written, the speeches have been made, the documents have been posted, the documentaries have been produced and the truth has been told. That is as far as anyone doing independent research can go. All that remains is for the believers to respond.

So bring ‘em on! Let’s see if those who swear to the lies they have been told can convince anyone, even themselves that the official version of 9/11 explains to the nation and the world what really happened on that day.

So, where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? We’re all waiting to see.