Wikileaks

I totally agree, Al.

The only problem with it (and I believe we both know) is the fact that this whole situation is much bigger than Assange and this dirtbag traitor. If it all ended right there -FINE. String 'em up, no big loss.

But it doesn't end there, does it?

 

Relevance is still lacking in your argument that seems to be pointed at ignoring the treasonous act by a (relatively) innocent dupe. What does it matter if TPTB are also guilty? Behind the scenes corruption does not deface nor denigrate the ideals. In fact, it makes upholding the ideals even more important to encourage the upright to not lose hope, perhaps even to encourage digging out the culpable. So this kid is part of the bread and circuses, maybe. A sacrificial goat, even. But once the charges are brought and the eventual punishment established, belief in the ideal system will be reinforced. Might also eventually result in the uprising you are hoping for.

 

Hey, whatever makes you feel better. But as long as I draw breath, I refuse to condemn a SINGLE person, no matter their "crime" as long as this corrupt government is in place. Morals be damned, this IS a police state, and this IS tyranny. Bush said it more plainly than anyone ever could, (surprising, I know) "Either you are with us...or you are with the terrorists." - Pretty much sums it all up.

After reconsidering, as far as I see it Ghrit, you aren't WRONG at all. Your perspective just isn't in line, that's all. Perhaps I am too much of a realist. I foresee a day not too far off in the distance where jaywalking will become just as terrible a crime as this soldier who is being accused of treason. And according to section 802 of the Patriot Act, we can see how far this government is willing to go to make that become a reality.

I see the future being paved, one corpse at a time.

 

And so I'm to assume you'll let off murderers and child rapists? I know you better than that, I hope. So your approach is limited to anything the government does that does not deal with actual civil crimes? You are right, I don't get it at all. Anarchy.

 

One of the things I like about this forum is that even members in 180 degree disagreement on an issue can still debate and discuss back and forth without getting worked up or offended.

Some of the posts in this thread are great examples of that.

Nice job guys

 

If the People cannot defend themselves, it begs for government to do it for them. I say, defend yourself and STOP expecting government to do it for you!

I don't know what horse you got on this morning, but I don't know anybody who got raped or molested. If I did, I would expect my family or LOCAL law enforcement to take care of the bugger. NOT the same thing I started on with this discussion, Ghrit.

You are now quickly approaching slippery slope territory. Do you really want to go down this road? We can argue all day. It won't do a bit of good You are set in your ways. I am in mine. The government is corrupt, it's BROKEN. It's primary enemy is YOU. Don't come around expecting ME to honor your traditional beliefs. THAT system is GONE.

That's it. Take it for what it is. Just don't go acting like some saint expecting me to buy the lie that the police state works because some silly tart got raped. I say carry a gun and don't get raped. I say let your family deal with your problem. I say let your local sheriff rally a posse and hunt the guy down. I say don't bother me with your petty problems. Live free, or go home and shut up. (not you Ghrit, just saying)

 

lol spoke too soon.

No, I respect Ghrit. No hard feelings, just being comical not rude.

 

melbo, he's right, you spoke too soon. B has his good points, I'm trying to dig them out --- (j/k, B, BYKT.)

 

Geeze melbo you sure know how to be a thread killer .

 

Nope, seemed more like gas on a fire.

 

Yea gas for sure.

 

LOL, it's all good.

All is well that ends well. We each had our say in the matter. I am finished.

 

Well, when a person lets emotion into the equation, it is a sure sign that progress is about to end. It is best to back off and just leave well enough alone. The last thing I expect is to change the minds of others, and the very best I can do is present the information as clearly as possible and let the other person do the homework.

 

Actually, I just read this for the first time. It would behoove you to know that I actually used to teach rape prevention to females for several years, along with knife defense and close combat training for state police. In my very first class, I would tell every female there that they must first shed the illusion that somebody else will protect them. That is the television indoctrination and traditional perspective of the past, where the "man" is the "hero" and would come to the rescue. The truth is, most rapes can be prevented and I taught them how to react. Since the first rule is to lose the misconception that they will be rescued, it creates the desire for them to learn how to defend themselves, and that is what I excelled at doing. I never had more of a butt whooping than I did in those classes -I made certain that every female walked away KNOWING they can handle an attacker (with the primary incentive based on escape). Now, I ask you, which is better? A police state based on lies and a system designed to enslave the population, or a truly free republic where its people can defend themselves? I see this as case closed. And don't bother with your response, I won't be reading it.

Leave your emotions at the door, friend.