Where is Flight MH370

DarkLight · Mar 18, 2014

Oh, I can theorize with the best of them. I just usually don't take the time to outline it like I just did.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...

kellory · Mar 18, 2014

No....paranoia is the unreasonable belief that someone is out to get you. If its true, you are not paranoid.

Motomom34 · Mar 18, 2014

Wow @DarkLight I got to think on that.

gunbunny · Mar 18, 2014

Kind of reminds me of this clip from Lord of War :

VisuTrac · Mar 18, 2014

more appropriate here than in motivational thread where i originally put it

Yard Dart · Mar 19, 2014

The world is riveted by the missing Malaysian Airlines plane, and the world media has focused on it non-stop for over a week.
We’ve long since exhausted our national supply of ‘experts’ to the point where every man is now an expert, each with his own theory about what happened, some of which stretch the limits of credulity. We’ve heard just about every explanation short of The Rapture and alien abduction.

But let’s flip the topic from what we do or don’t know about the missing plane to what does the event and our response to it reveal about us?
We have seen in the past that terrorists are nimble. They see our response to events, learn from it and incorporate it into their own planning.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume this was a terrorist dry run, or maybe a hijacking gone wrong, or a suicide mission by someone aboard the plane, or even a terrorist plot in midstream with more to come.
We have seen in the past that terrorists are nimble. They see our response to events, learn from it and incorporate it into their own planning.

There are folks out there who are watching our response to this crisis. They’re taking note of weaknesses, vulnerabilities and blind spots in the international air system in order to exploit them in the future. Though the world has taken more security precautions since September 11th, terrorists remain fixated on attacks on airplanes. Those attacks have now been made easier but what they’ve learned from our response to the missing Malaysian jetliner..

What have THEY learned us? Quite a bit, actually.

First, security in Third World countries and airports remains lax. The Malaysian flight's passenger manifest list had lots of holes.
Some passengers were travelling with stolen passports, despite those passports being listed in the Interpol database.
In a action reminiscent of the September 11 hijackers, some passengers bought their tickets with cash, at the last minute, and one-way only.
Some passengers didn’t show up for the flight, but apparently there was no effort to see whether they had checked-in baggage that was still on the plane.

Second, it turns out we don’t have eyes in the sky for everything. U.S. spy satellites can see anything bigger than a soccer ball. But that works only if we’re looking.
As a former NSA director told me, we’re still looking at China, Russia and North Korea. We’re not as focused further south, or in the Southern Hemisphere.

Third, not everyone in the world is sharing information. Our satellites may not be looking south, but maybe Chinese satellites are, especially since Malaysia borders the Strait of Malacca, one of China’s most important trade routes. The Chinese official press has criticized the U.S. for not sharing our satellite data. Are they sharing theirs?

Fourth, even if we have the technology it isn’t always used, or used correctly. There were three separate instances where the missing plane wasn’t doing what it was supposed to do. Yet Malaysian air traffic controllers missed them. India has radar but, according to some reports, turns it off at night to save money.
Fifth, Third World countries don’t screen pilots are crew are vigorously as we do. U.S. airline pilots and crew get regular medical evaluations every six months to certify their physical and mental health. The Malaysian pilots had issues that would have merited closer evaluation, yet they did not get it. If these had been U.S. pilots, officials would have quickly beaten a path to their homes to investigate them. Also, it took the Malaysian officials over a week to visit the pilots' homes after the plane disappeared.

Sixth, the airline host country was the lead country in this investigation. It was a Malaysian airplane, taking off from Malaysia, so Malaysia was in charge, even though it is not the A Team, or even the B Team.
The U.S. is the A Team, with naval assets in the region, with the most sophisticated intelligence capabilities.
Why were we not involved from the beginning? Did we offer? Were we told to stand down?
We don’t seem to have an agreed upon protocol for dealing with these incidents if they involve several countries.

Finally, despite Ukraine being the greatest major power crisis since the end of the Cold War, the world has been focused instead on the missing Malaysian airliner. Talk about media frenzy and public fascination.
If a terrorist group decided they wanted to command the world stage for their cause, what better than to repeat what we’ve just witnessed?

So while we may never know what happened to the Malaysian plane, we have given anyone who is watching a primer on how to exploit our weaknesses. This is not the last time an airliner will go missing.
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Missing Malaysia Airlines plane -- what has incident has taught terrorists? | Fox News

VisuTrac · Mar 19, 2014

Dunerunner · Mar 19, 2014

Boeing isn't saying the plane is in Pakistan....but......

Malaysia is asking Pakistan for help finding the plane.

Motomom34 · Mar 21, 2014

Where is that darn plane? We had fun the other night, everyone giving their theory at the dinner table. My little sweet child wants to believe that it made a "soft landing" on water and is floating somewhere.

bfayer · Mar 21, 2014

I really do hope we find the plane in the ocean. I hate to say it, but I don't see the passengers being alive at this point no matter what happened to the plane. If the plane is in the ocean it can do no harm. If it is parked under a big tarp somewhere, there is a good chance more people will die in the future.

oldawg · Mar 21, 2014

listening to the news seems to this senile old pfart that too many people without knowledge speaking OR, two many people with knowledge not speaking.

DarkLight · Mar 21, 2014

no doubt it's both.

Dunerunner · Mar 21, 2014

The ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter), which is designed to begin transmitting on impact, never went off. That is telling!

BTPost · Mar 21, 2014

An ELT is only valid if there is a crash, on Land, or if floating, in Water.... It has NO Emissions if it is more than 2" under the water, PERIOD. Usually the ELT is located High up in the Tail Section, so that it will survive a major crash, on Land, by the rest of the aircraft, absorbing the Impact Energy, first. It may well, not even be triggered, by a Water Landing, that didn't cause the aircraft to bearkup. No ELT Transmissions ever came from the Hudson River Landing, after the Bird Strike. If the aircraft did Breakup, then likely the Tail Section sank as there isn't any floatation built into that section. Where the wings would float, for a longer time, as they would have Empty Fuel Tanks Keeping them afloat.

Dunerunner · Mar 21, 2014

Aren't the ELT signals satellite tracked these days. I know they removed all the DF (direction finder) antennas at the Automated Flight Service Stations in the 90's. I would think the impact of a water landing in rough seas would have triggered the ELT for at least a few minutes, but it is hard to tell. Like you said, the Hudson crash, which was a controlled water landing; did not light off the ELT in that aircraft.

Wait and see, I guess...

BTPost · Mar 21, 2014

Yes, ELTs have ALWAYS been SAT Tracked... They use Doppler, and Timing, to determine locations, and some NOW have GPS built-in that sends coded Position Information.... HOWEVER they operate on 121.5Mhz, and 243Mhz, which doesn't propagate thru water, AT ALL... so if the ELT is below the surface more, than an inch, it is useless..... PERIOD... Aircraft versions are NOT designed to Float, or Float Free from a crash, and they do NOT float with the antenna UP in the Air, like a Marine Version, called an EPRIB, which does Float Free, and Float upright.... ......

bfayer · Mar 21, 2014

Commercial aircraft also have "pingers" which emit a repeating audio tone when submerged in water. The pingers are only good for a few miles underwater. That few miles includes depth, so in deep water you need to be right on top of it to detect it.

The official name is "High-impact underwater acoustic beacon"

Yard Dart · Mar 21, 2014

Well if that plane when down off of Perth....the sharks are all fat and happy by now. Don't expect much recovery of lost ones... if the plane broke up, which is most likely....

bfayer · Mar 24, 2014

Ok, here is the latest update from the talking heads. An analysis of the satellite data shows that the last estimated position puts the plane in a location that would not allow the aircraft to reach land before it ran out of fuel.

I don't know why it took this long to figure that out. You would think they could do that on the back of a napkin, but it is what it is. Although I don't think they have officially stated the plane went down in the ocean, what are the other options?

Quigley_Sharps · Mar 25, 2014

The semiconductor industry will come into play on the reason why soon. Can you say new patent and 4 out of the 5 holders were on the plane ......

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