@arleigh, Warfare? With a .17 HMR! Would it be inconsiderate if I asked for Historical References? Thinking out of the box is a good thing, but I'm a little concerned with how the .17 HMR stacks up against even the mild mannered .762 NATO. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Not inconsiderate, but for CERTAIN on the silly side to ask, since it seems fair to assume there are none. If arliegh has made a choice for personal reasons (and that is NOT obvious from his post) then it's his choice, and I'm equally sure the AO has an influence, You need not agree, but you need to respect it.
Add to that, bullet wounds aren't like TV. I see them come into our ER on occasion and even an arm wound with a .22 is a major trauma requiring surgery. Granted a .17 might not be a manstopper without a head or heart shot, but in a grid down situation it will be a death sentence.
But when was the last time you had someone in the trauma ward that received a bullet wound at even a pedestrian 800 Meters? If your talking wounds at distances of feet, thats one thing. If your treating Battlefield Injuries that's completely different. JMHO.
It might be just my opinion, but it seems like there are allot of feet at 800 Meters. I was just pondering how long it would take you to run from 800 Meters to a range in feet that we could palaver about in the Trauma Ward? Did you really want to take fire from a Government Trained Operator all along that distance? Perhaps I'll choose to carry a .762 NATO. Call me Silly Sally.
Only took me a year and a half to talk myself out of carrying a sharps if SHTF...cause sometimes it's more tactically viable to shoot over the wall instead of just through it..
Personally, I'd be avoiding gubmint types and most others I wouldn't see as a threat at 800 meters. Just me against Gov't trained operators? I'll end up losing anyway. Might as well give a few of 'em a bad infection from my nasty bullets to remember me by.
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RWS 48 in 5.5 mm with a mil-dot 3-9x variable scope. Yes, an air rifle. ...which will shoot clean through a rabbit's skull. Trapping is better. For that matter, so is farming. And caching. My rifle of choice is for food, not fighting. IMO, planning to use any hand-held weapon as the lynch pin of a defensive strategy is foolish.
The only Threat you have while wielding a projectile weapon, is someone else wielding a projectile weapon to better use. (Unless of course you fail to select a projectile weapon that should accomplish all tasks that those to primitive to have projectile weapons shall vanquish you with!) So if you choose to carry a rodent rifle or less, I won't be surprised if you have no tales of vanquishing the big five. Just remember that only one of the critters on earth have the ability to carry projectile weapons. Choose wisely, it's not your ego or budget that could survive based on your actual decisions. More than My Opinion.
You are welcome. But all I've posted is the honest truth. You can't help those that refuse to help themselves. Just speak splain and let the chips fall where they may. JMHO.
.... in this scenario who do you call a "small calibre" mate ? I ask because I have literally shot 100s of hogs with .223/.222 over the years (and smaller rounds) and not seen a projectile bounce off a skull. Seem some less than impressive stops (but stopped nonetheless)when having to get through some hard baked mud on a hog from wallows but 5.56 in the noggin work very well. My preference is for .308Win however...
I agree that .22LR is not a good choice generally for critters, two or four legged, that can harm you. That's why I was clarifying what you called small/varmint rounds (given .223/5.56 is often considered such a round and mostly the enemy of poodles ). I have spent a good bit of time on foot in Africa and it is a turn up to realise you are the one being hunted. Or as the lioness said to her cub....look at that pudgy pink baboon....that may be breakfast..!
.22 Cal. penetration test on fresh deer skull | Survival Monkey Forums Certainly not a good choice for animals like Bears and Cougars and the like. However a .22 lr. does far more damage than is given credit for. When I did this test the skull was still warm as I had just taken this deer with cross bow. The shot was from the side at 30 yards. The bullet was a plain lead 40 grain solid which mushroomed to about 3/8th of an inch . It exited the other side of the skull and was recovered under the skin . I was pretty shocked myself at the amount of bone fragmentation inside the head and through out the brain tissue. I was able to insert my middle finger into the exit hole. This was a 5.5 year old doe, not a little bambi . Mature , heavy well fed White Tail Doe. Africa is a continent loaded with big and small game. A .22 lr would be a great tool to have for small game but would not protect you from large predators. It is what it is. A .223/5.56 is much much more. But still would not be my choice for African big game. .338 comes to mind. But there is no one rifle that does it all.
