King James Bible... Why do we put our faith in it?

Great summary. Thanks for that.

You were trying to find the Lost Ark of the Covenant? Sounds like there's a larger story there!

I tried to read the Bible several times, but I find it very difficult and contradictory. Really, its the constant contradictions that I find so frustrating, and it prevents me from making much head-way.

It is very easy to get lost in religious studies. Quite a rabbit hole.

 

The Bible is full of mysteries, clues and questions that appeals to the Indiana Jones in all of us. The Lost Ark of the Covenant is only one of them, there is also the location of the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark, the Copper Scrolls, the Holy Grail, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Shroud of Turin, etc., etc. and etc.! The minister at church knew that I was reading the Bible, back in the summer of 1973, and had offered his help if I had any questions...well I had a question about the Lost Ark of the Covenant! His advice was not to fixate on the small stuff, but to read the Bible in its entirety and understand what it is that We believe in as Christians, then you can go back and nit-pick. He also said that people had been searching for the Ark since it was lost, that no one had found it (although the Ethiopian Church claims to have it in Axium), and that many lives had been wasted in search of something that GOD might not want found! I took his advice and finished reading the Bible that summer, and while anything pertaining to the Lost Ark of the Covenant, Noah's Ark, etc. is sure to get my attention I'm not planning any trips to the Middle East...anytime soon. The true treasure in the Bible is to be found not buried in desert sands or on an icy mountain top, but in the Faith that brings inter-peace to yourself, that dictates how you treat others, and leads to Eternal Life in the Here After!

 

I trust the Holy Spirit Jesus provided to teach in his place.
Growing up I had access to several versions of scriptures and countless pamphlets of propaganda for many religions even took bible courses and been to bible school as well. These all had their own agendas they made their points with borrowing from all corners of the scriptures.
One fact remains.
Jesus will be judging they who have been under His Lordship and they that have not.
Assuming by reason of the volume or academic acceptance of those fallowing is not safe criteria. Jesus will Judge based on those that walked in a real relationship doing His will.
God is not operated fallowing direction given to others.
Jesus met the specific needs of people in different ways according to the need at hand, God gives very specific direction because the needs are unique.
Can a man find salvation in corrupted scriptures? God knows the heart and the desire of one needing to know the truth form God's point of view. Jesus said, "Blessed are they that do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled."
This hunger and thirsting are "needing" God's perspective over that of man, not for academics' sake but to do God's bidding.
There have been times through the years I had been handed pamphlets the Spirit of God did not allow me to absorb.
The first thing one must understand is that Adam sinned seeking an alternate source of information. Much the way men seek information to agree with their point of view rather than painfully seeking truth from God's perspective.
Scriptures warn that teachers are under greater condemnation.
The only message I am commissioned to share is Gods' free gift of salvation and the gift of the Holy Spirit Jesus provides to teach in His place.
The EGO of man seek approval of academics.
Through the years scientists have been changing their minds because they are continually making new discoveries, theologians too have made some discoveries the challenge their theories.
There was a time some "Educated" men pushed the idea that the earth was flat, and because they held position legislation ruled in their favor. It did not make them right.
Who's approval matters?

 

I just saw this posted on infowars:

Can We Trust The King James Bible?

Can We Trust The King James Bible?

I wonder if Brian Wilson is on survival monkey. If so, PM me. I won't reveal your user name. I have questions for you regarding the "What the hell is hell?" video that you put together. I'm curious about questions regarding faith. Thanks!

 

I always like to get to the source. The source tells you a lot.

The Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are kind of like the "source" of the New Testament. However, it is agreed by most scholars that these Gospel were written somewhere around 66 to 110 years after the death of Jesus and they were not written by eye-witness testimony.

Dating the Oldest New Testament Christian Manuscripts - Biblical Archaeology Society

One of the oldest Christian texts is the Codex Vaticanus which was dated to the 4th century, which would be 300 AD. So that's 300 years after Jesus died.

Codex Vaticanus - Wikipedia

I'm not sure why they can't date these texts more precisely with radio carbon dating.

In 1961, a papyrus codex containing the Gospels of Luke and John in Greek (P.Bodmer XIV–XV or P75 to specialists) was published. It is often called the most important New Testament papyrus so far discovered because it was dated, on the basis of its handwriting, to about A.D. 175–225, and its text agrees very closely with that of Codex Vaticanus.”

Papyrus 75 - Wikipedia

So this is approximately 200 years after Jesus died.

So what's the story with the original Gospel texts? Apparently they no longer exist. What happened to them? Were they in the library of Alexandria and got destroyed? They obviously existed because copies were made of them. The people who made the copies must have copied them from the original text.

Did the Original New Testament Manuscripts still exist in the Second Century? | Bible.org

 

It's interesting that everyone is looking for the ark of the covenant. I see countless shows on the History channel about it. I will admit, it is an interesting story.

However, I am a little shocked that no one is searching for the original parchment Gospel text. This is the foundation upon which the entire Christian faith is based. These little shards of parchment. No one ever even talks about where they are, where they went, what happened to them. Apparently, that is an embarrassment of the church which they try to hide? Is that where all the faith talk comes from? Because you need to have faith because they don't have the original documents upon which the Bible is centered on?

To me, the original shards of parchment from the Gospels are really the TRUE ark of the covenant. This is supposed to be the word of God. I have had to dig pretty deep to uncover only a little bit of information about the original source documents. That truly surprises me. This should be public, and common, knowledge.

 

Have you tried Amazon? There are dozens of books about the Dead Sea Scrolls, including English translations of the full text. I'm sure that it has been digitized and is available online too. The little shards of parchment are incomplete and bear little resemblance to any Bible that we are familiar with I'm afraid.

 

Yes, I actually had an opportunity to see them in person during an exhibit in Boston a few years ago. They are just fragments of parchment for the most part. Some rare pieces are a full page, but most are just shards.

 

World's biggest jig-saw puzzle! About 40% of the manuscripts are the books of the Old Testament, 30% are from religious writings that didn't make it into the Old Testament cannon, and the remainder are writings pertaining to various Jewish religious sects. So, if you are looking for the New Testament you are out of luck.

 

In the light of eternity, the years of academia cannot accomplish what one can learn at the feet of Jesus.
No one can force feed you faith.
Jesus said, "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled."
Righteousness from God's perspective at a personal level.
This is found on one's knees in humility and honest transparency.

 

Wow...some interesting if not unusual posts on here and on this topic..

I am astonished that some of you do not quote the record of history and what happened in history with the publishing of the King James Bible..as well as what happened as a result of it by Januaray 30 of 1649....in England.

There is a long standing principle no longer taught to us in history ...of Kings and their crowns....in particular in Catholic Religious nations...
And that principle is called...."Absolute Power.....Divine Right of Kings."

And this principle of power and authority goes that in most nations..the King's Crown was put on their head by the religious Authority or Pope in many nations....therefore their power and authority comes from God...and is now absolute...there is no law the king can make or break and he cannot be held accountable...as his power and authority comes from God.

What happened with the King James Bible is that when people were read to out of it by people who could read....they discovered that their King was in Heaven...and not on the Throne of England...and that the King was only an administrator of Just English Laws....he was not Divine Right nor did he have absolute power..

But King Charles 1st wanted to be like Kings on the Continent....absolute power .....divine right of Kings.

And you see...there were these People in England who were not having any of this .....once they knew what was in the King James Bible. If King James knew what would happen years later...he would not have printed it and made it available throughout England.

And these Puritans were having none of it or went along with the King's methods of securing his religious Authority to be like Kings on the Continent...
And in time this wound up in a bloody English Civil War which was finally concluded on Janyary 30, 1649 with the beheading of Charles 1st.
This is the first time an ordinary people had executed their king....and it was very very bad for the king club.


But the very big thing for us to know as Americans...and I do not believe our own government ever .ever ever..wants us to know this history and what it means.....

The very thing for us Americans to know is that this was the precedent for Americans to turn on their king....one hundred years plus before our revolution with Oliver Cromwell and the Puritans turning on King Charles 1st.

This.......Was the historical precedent for the Colonialists to turn on King George when he had broken the law....in taxing the colonies to fight a European War......
The English precedent and example was that taxes collected in the colonies were to be used for purposes of the colonies.... not to be sent to England to fight a war on the European Continent.....we know this as taxation without representation.,

Do you members understand now ...why this history is omitted from your education ..as to what the King James Bible and the Puritans got out of it....concerning their King on the throne of England????

Do you understand how dangerous this historical knowledge and history is for us to know ???


All that and history from a King James Bible.

Understand now?????

Be warned these Ishmaelites ....even in the ministry who would keep us ignorant of so much in and concerning the Bible.....and what happened in certain nations as a result of it.

What is Socialism/Communism...but a journey towards absolute power....divine right of Kings.

What is much of our Politics today becoming ...absolute power...divine right of kings....unlimited government...not limited government...

Are we ever supposed to know enough history to think this far on our own and without the consent of "Experts."

Understand now about dumbing us down ...and why so many of us know so little history .and what it means for us?????

Da Tovarich?????

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

 

Be very very very careful and aware of Politics and it's attempts to morph into unlimited government...or if you prefer Absolute Power....Divine Right of Kings.
Be very very careful of Government trying to turn Politics into a State Religion....Dialectic Materialism.....and the chaos and confusion accompanying this.

Watch carefully for this fingerprint of chaos and confusion ......generated and sponsored...promoted by government programs....."Experts."

Some of us still know the name of the Author of Confusion ..by name....

And some of this can be demonstrated to those who can think past ESPN and the Kardashians......

Be Warned of these Ishmaelites in power who would use/misuse government to spread chaos and confusion under the guise of Humanitarianism......but clearly put Americans and America in last place while we work, labor, and risk for first place.

Make no mistake ...this is a zealous religion taking place here in America to spread chaos and confusion in everything we believe and for which we labor.

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

 

I'm pretty conservative.

If it ain't written in red and reconciles with old Greek and other translations (yeah, Dead sea Scrolls are legit in my view, mostly?), its the work of fallible men that were hopefully inspired by God but most likely doing what they thought was right.

I ain't saying I'm right, but it is simpler.

 

not sure the doing good is all that is needed... it does say you just good works wont get you there IIRC???

IF you accept and then do good works... well accepting is all you need BUT works count a lot in a different way IIFC

 

uhhh... think the fearing part back then also meant RESPECT???

 

is something like this helpful???

 

Proverbs 3;4,5,6, David said, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto thine own understanding, and in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He will direct thy path".
Men who knew the manipulation of others used king James English to make a new religion plagiarizing on another man's fantasy, and ignorant people bought it, even though the king James English was very poorly used (abused). People not seeking the relationship Jesus provided and choosing men's teaching will be deceived. this is a choice people make because they prefer the idea that some one else may take the heat for a lie in a means of excusing ones self. Problem is both deceiver and the deceived go to hell together.
Because a man is educated of men does not make him right.
There are things God has taught me I am not at liberty to share with others. God gives me instruction that is no one else's business. 1.prevent bragging, 2 obedience.
Trusting God is more than mere words but an action taken when one knows His voice and responds particularly in actions that others may not understand. God has the bigger picture in mind.
I have known those fearful of this kind of relationship, never the less, if you examine scriptures, many have learned this obedience and obey regardless of the potential consequences.
Whose approval is more important to you?

 

By Zimmy...

I too am conservative...I am not a Republican....not happening.

To my limited knowledge the Olde Testament was written in Masoretic Hebrew and the New Testament in Kione Greek..or Common Greek of the streets. The New Testament was not written in formal Classical Greek.

I do not have any use for the new translations except to see where they differ from the AV 1611...and can do this in my Franklin Electronic Bible...which has both the KJV and NIV versions.

What King James was able to do is to get together the Best Translators... in one place to do the translation under the most Idea conditions. Which was not possible on the continent of Europe..lor even in Medieval England....though there were English Translations before the King James version ...the Tynsdale and Wycliffe versions come to mind...

Tyndale Bible - Wikipedia

Wycliffe's Bible - Wikipedia

This history is seldom taught to people...of faith...even by their ministers....and it should be to avoid much confusion and strengthen the faith of people.

We are to know sufficient to even check up on our ministers....that they are teaching the whole council....and I suspect that many ministers do not do this. Thus there is a lot of confusion out there..

My non Ishmaelite .02,
Orangetom

 

@orangetom1999

"I too am conservative...I am not a Republican....not happening."

I agree completely. Both parties are corrupted as hell and pushing to destroy our culture and freedoms. Not to mention feeding a government shamelessly practicing unspeakable evils.

 

Zimmy.....to me...in my mind and soul....most of the Republican Party is nothing more than Democrat Lite.

They are not conservative......they are ersatz....a counterfeit......

Do we not know the name of the author of confusion???? The Counterfeiter????

Orangetom
Not an Ishmaelite.