Broken Arrow?

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by melbo, Sep 11, 2007.


  1. sheen_estevez

    sheen_estevez Monkey+++

    and he planning a duck hunting trip next week
    [beer]
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Yup, the envelop is elastic enough to hold that in. Barely.:sneaky:[booze]
     
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Man, this is one of those times when being right really sucks.

    You know, we need some hard evidence on this possible nuke slight of hand, not just rumors and circumstantial evidence. Don't get me wrong, the updates have been helpful and all.

    I am just getting really tired of playing catch up to olympic athletes who own the stadium and can pay off the opposing teams and who can plant thermite in your sneakers and make it all look like an act of spontaneous combustion while their news corporation sponsors cover their escape route and plan the next televised event while simultaneously feeding the masses clips of sexual scandals. Then, just like clockwork, the remains disappear and all 35,000 video tapes of the event are classified due to national security...except one three second video of the exploding sneakers at an extreme closeup which is obscured and out of focus. This is then heralded by the media as unprecedented proof that instantaneous self enduced combustion did in fact occur, despite the scientific community's objection and the overwhelming eyewitness testimony which suggests otherwise.

    *cough*
     
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    LOL.
    I'm glad to have you back around here Brokor.
    You stopped by at a perfect time
     
  5. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I think that I need beer goggles and ear warmers for my tin-foil hat; some of those dots have to connect but not necessarily in the order they are written.
     
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Agree completely. This is more scattergunning than a centerfire string. [winkthumb]
     
  7. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    The Strange Death Of Todd Blue
    By Ted Twietmeyer
    9-17-7



    Blue, Todd Alexander

    The issue of deceased airman Todd Blue is highly unusual to say the least,
    and opens up a Pandora's box full of questions.
    At the time of Todd's death, he was under investigation for his possible
    role in the nuclear weapons that were loaded into a B52 aircraft.
    If military personnel are under investigation at any base for a crime, they
    will not be given any leave until the investigation is completed and they are
    cleared. Yet Todd was given leave and was at home with his family according
    to the obituary at the time of his death?
    It's also interesting is that Todd isn't someone who's been in the airforce
    for most of his life.
    Todd Blue was just 20 years old. Why wasn't his cause of death stated?
    Obituaries usually state something - unless a death was the result of a suicide.
    >From at least one write-up about Todd, we know he was a caring person who
    helped people in their time of need.
    We may never know what Todd's role in this nuclear incident was, if he
    killed himself or it was made to like he did, if it really was an accident, a
    sudden heart attack, etc... unless a member of the family comes forward with what
    they know. Until they do, they may be in grave danger as the bigger story
    here starts to unravel. If he actually did take his own life, then perhaps he
    couldn't live with what he knew.
    It is also important to note that it would be utterly and completely
    impossible for Todd to have removed several weapons from storage and load them onto
    an aircraft as we shall see. Todd was an airman, which is NOT the same as an
    ordinance officer.
    MOVING A WEAPON FROM STORAGE TO AN AIRCRAFT
    Below are the basic steps required to remove any nuclear weapon from storage
    and load it onto an aircraft, according to a former air force officer:
    * Orders to remove a nuclear weapon from storage must come down from the top.
    * An ordinance officer in charge of the storage area must sign off
    * A safety officer must sign off
    * There are ordinance personnel who physically handle the weapons to move
    them from storage. They will have knowledge of the movement as well.
    * The B52 pilot would have to sign off to complete the chain of custody.
    * A retired airforce pilot told me "You would know you had the weapons on
    board. Your aircraft will take-off differently and handle differently."
    * Several ordinance personnel are required to mount these weapons on the
    aircraft. This requires several trained and certified ordinance personnel to
    handle the weapons. Weapons must also be connected into the aircraft's ordinance
    firing system so the weapon to receive arming data. Lights on a control
    panel inside the aircraft would indicate the presence of the nuclear cruise
    missiles, providing further indication that the wing mounted missile carriers were
    NOT empty.
    * There is the matter of arming the weapons. Nuclear weapons must receive a
    special arming code. Complex, encrypted arming code data can only come from
    the top of the chain of command and none of the air force personnel have any
    knowledge of it. This prevents a rogue officer at a base ordering personnel to
    load a nuclear weapon on an aircraft and using it (as portrayed in the film
    "Dr. Strangelove.") The arming code is sent via a satellite transmission -
    and must originate from the commander in chief. A briefcase which a military
    officer carries with the president (also known as "the football") is the
    portable means to transmit arming codes. This briefcase which is carried by an
    officer wherever the president goes on the planet, contains a specialized system
    for biometrically identify the president (in the even it is somehow stolen)
    and the means to enter nuclear device arming data.
    Pilots perform their own inspection of aircraft they are about to fly. This
    is true in the civilian world as well as in the military. Such inspections
    can be bypassed, such as when a scramble takes place with fighter planes. It
    would be impossible for a pilot to not notice missiles hanging under the wings.
    Nuclear weapons are also clearly marked. There are also checklists pilots
    must run before the wheels are allowed to roll. Yet we are to believe the pilot
    and crew knew nothing about nuclear weapons being aboard? Would any pilot
    want to roll the wheels unless these weapons were AUTHORIZED to be on-board?
    After all, he has to sign for them under the chain of custody.
    At this point, we already see a large number of personnel will have full
    knowledge of the weapons being loaded onto the plane, as well as the crew aboard
    the plane. Hopefully all of them are still alive and will stay that way. But
    what lies would personnel be told so they would not question this insane
    action? While it is true that air force personnel are trained to obey orders
    like other branches of the military, why didn't they question it?
    Perhaps the biggest single item of interest here is what it took to start
    the removal of the weapons from storage in the first place - an order which can
    only come from the top of the military.
    If the weapons were to be dropped on Iraq, then the risk from anti-aircraft
    missiles would be minimal. Only a state-of-the-art ground to air missile
    could take down a high-flying B52. Perhaps this was to be a last act of
    desperation to be blamed on "insurgents." Since the Iraq war has been lost - it might
    be a last desperate act known as "scorched Earth." Nuclear weapons would
    leave the land radioactive and worthless for several millenia for Iraqis. All of
    this raises yet another bigger question - what of the several hundred
    thousand American armed forces personnel in Iraq? America would be killing off most
    of it's own military by using these weapons in Iraq. It would take months to
    evacuate the troops from Iraq before such a strike took place. It's clear
    that none of these personnel were to be withdrawn, since the Commander in Chief
    already proclaimed on numerous occassions that he was going to "stay the
    course."
    The newer stealth bomber B2 would be the aircraft of choice to insure weapon
    delivery. B2 bombers are deployed from an American airbase on American soil,
    go anywhere in the world on a bombing mission and return to America. They do
    not land anywhere but in America, partly because of the classified
    propulsion technology they have. If these bombers were to be used to deploy the
    nuclear weapons, a B52 would play no role in the mission.
    To dispose of the plane (and crew) would be a far smaller sacrifice than a
    far more expensive, limited edition, two billion dollar B2 bomber. If these
    nuclear weapons were intended for this unthinkable mission, then the entire
    crew would have a flight plan with details on pecisely what coordinates to
    release the missiles, what course they were to fly, the altitude for detonation,
    when to release the missiles, etc... This must all be planned in advance.
    And if the mission were to succeed, we can be certain that the aircraft
    would be destroyed and the crew would be killed to cover it up. Everyone involved
    in the chain of custody would be terminated. There would be a detailed plan
    in place to insure no witnesses live to testify that such a treasonous act of
    genocide took place, and the multiple nuclear events would be blamed on an
    "act of terrorism." Without any doubt, martial law would ensue and NO
    investigation would ever be possible. It would be an act of terrorism executed by at
    least one traitor the inside of government.
    It is highly unlikely any airforce officer would participate in this mad
    scheme unless orders to deploy these weapons came from the Commander in Chief
    and were authenticated. If this is the case and the investigation reaches this
    conclusion, any investigation into this "incident" will become classified.
    The media will probably not be saying another word about the incident, and they
    too, will help make it all "go away."
    There is only ONE man commanding all of the military, at the very top, who
    would be desperate enough to try to do something like this. He is the only man
    who has the actual authority to deploy ANY nuclear weapons. Even though
    about one week has passed since the incident, it is most likely that any
    investigation into this event has already confirmed who that treasonous individual
    is. If America is already under secret martial law which the events of the past
    6 years seem to suggest, then there will never be an investigation. And this
    may be why he thought he could do it.
    Nothing will be done officially about the authorization of this event - but
    that doesn't mean his future is secure. Word has been circulating in the
    military for sometime that everyone has had enough of the madness. They know
    military's function is to defend America, and not go around the planet starting
    wars which put men and women in harm's way for no good reason. And the true
    patriots in the military are keenly aware of this fact.
    Again, I stand with millions of Americans and salute the unknown DoD
    person(s) who exposed this madness. May this person serve as an example to military
    personnel everywhere, and live a long and happy life.
    This is probably the closest America has every come to being completely
    destroyed.
    How many Americans really understand this? Let's all hope and pray that the
    traitors are brought to justice swift and sure who ordered this action.
    Jeff has offered to allow me to post this anonymously.
    But if as Americans we don't stand up to tyranny, then in the end nothing
    will matter.

    Ted Twietmeyer </pre>
     
  8. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    BUT, this is the TFHL right?
     
  9. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Another thing to keep in mind, as far as the folks connected to the incident 'dieing', it dosent nessicarily mean they will be going in the ground. I think it might be interesting to know how long the folks directly involved and in key positions of the situation were all on THAT post/job.

    A close friend of mine worked in black ops some time back. Just after 9-11 when the original lists of those killed in the pentagon, before they were edited, he looked over the names and recognized several names on the list...of folks who had 'died' a couple decades earlier. He confirmed that, by no means all, but some of the folks who get into intel/black ops positions 'die' when they go in for several reasons includeing plausable deniability, safety of family/associates of the individual and so on.

    If this incident was in fact a planned and classified or black op then they may have had recruits for some of these positions involved in executing it who would then move into their positions with a death certificate to protect them from possible prosicution and such as well as makeing sure that if they ever decided to become whistle blowers and tell a story that they didnt want out then it could be easily debunked since the person 'claiming' to have been there was dead after all. This could also be done for the last reason even if they were simply running and had knowledge that they wanted to hide.

    Just another possibe twist in the can full of worms.
     
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Besides the ordinance folks (munitions maintenance squadron (mms) the b52 required "mission tapes" that were hand delivered by an ops officer ( from "Dox" mission planning iirc).Loaded into the weapons system.
    They coordinated the aircraft location with the target set and threats. the SRAM system would launch SRAM (Short Range Attack missiles) automatically at the correct altitude and time to clear anti aircraft defenses along the flightpath...so the buff could penetrate to the main targets I would speculate Alcms have the same type of control.So its not just mms folks involved in any live launch.
    I find it extremely hard to believe the bomb nav console would not have some indication of the state of an actual live warhead vs an inert dummy.

    I believe the aircrew didn't sign for the weapons because they were told they were flying a loaded pylon( 6 alcms) without live warheads installed. But Aircraft to pylon cables would be hooked up and would give indication of the status of the missiles.SO this whole incident doesn't make any sense(?) The easiest explanation is a complete foul up in the control of the warheads,everyone thought that pylon was non-nuclear. hence no big deal to handle and fly..., I figure we've probably heard more than "they" want us to.
    I'm verilly vexed on this one...
    Somebody will have..to come forward.

    oh yeah,,, "classified propulsion technology??"[LMAO][ROFL]the b2 does NOT have a classified "anti-gravity drive"[ROFL]I'm not a b2 pilot so I guess that's really just speculation but that exceeds my ability to stifle a belly laugh.
    back to Ted the alcm is a stand off weapon designed to extend the active life of the b52 by allowing them to launch outside a countries border negating the need for a big old airframe to go fast and low and penetrate air defenses. So the b2/b52 issue is moot if you want to drop a "gravity bomb" (Plain old nuclear bomb) then you want to be in a b2 to stealthily get in and out..
     
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