Anyone know why DHS and ICE need 450MM rounds of ammo?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by VisuTrac, Mar 16, 2012.


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  1. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    oldawg, Mar 18, 2012
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  2. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Simunitions?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simunition

    X days of combat operations including resupply of Y people is one h of a lot of ammunition, isn't it? We've had wide open borders for decades. We have no clue who our guests are.
     
    Tikka, Mar 18, 2012
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  3. bfayer

    bfayer Keeper Of The Faith

    Actually no. This is an IDIQ contract. That means indefinite delivery indefinite quantity.

    What that means is that DHS negotiated a fixed price contract for ammo for a total maximum delivery quantity, but does not have to buy that amount.

    This allows agencies to place delivery orders for what they need without having to issue a new contract for each order.

    There is no requirement for the government to order any quantity above the initial delivery order.

    IDIQs are done to save time and money. With an IDIQ the government does not have to buy and store stuff they may never use, but agencies can get what they need for a preset price with preset delivery terms.

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    bfayer, Mar 20, 2012
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    The thing that has always bothered me about IDIQ purchase contracts is that they get into the budget, then if not spent, the committed funds can be diverted to something else rather than returned. I suspect some has gone to operations that should not see the light of day. Multi thousand dollar commodes and several hundred dollar hammers come to mind ---

    There a couple things to like about IDIQ contracts as well. For one thing, it allows preselection of competent contractors that can perform no matter the job requirements. Whatever else you might say about (for examples) Bechtel or Halliburton (or Xe) they have the resources and talent to move quickly.
     
    ghrit, Mar 20, 2012
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  5. bfayer

    bfayer Keeper Of The Faith

    Can't argue with any of that. For ammo an IDIQ makes perfect sense.
    They can order what they need and not waste money on what they don't.

    Government contracting will never be perfect, but IDIQs are one of the smarter ways of doing it.

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    bfayer, Mar 20, 2012
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  6. Foctris

    Foctris Monkey

    That is not that much ammo for a large agency
     
    Foctris, Mar 20, 2012
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  7. bpaintx

    bpaintx Monkey+++

    The feds don't use training ammo in the field. We shoot duty ammo unless you are training at the academy.
     
    bpaintx, Mar 20, 2012
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  8. armysgt

    armysgt Guest

    WHAT???? WE????
     
    armysgt, Mar 20, 2012
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  9. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    So, Freudian slip?

    We? What department?

    Looking for clarification on the WE part.
     
    VisuTrac, Mar 23, 2012
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  10. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    This is NOT training ammo. Your Mileage Does NOT Vary:
     
    Falcon15, Mar 23, 2012
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  11. mongovb

    mongovb Monkey+

    A while back a group feds was out at my local range training for a week. They brought 90k rounds with them and shot almost all of it. It was Winchester Ranger frangible though.
     
    mongovb, Mar 24, 2012
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  12. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    If they left their brass....... "KACHING!" I'd use buckets, boxes, whatever!!!
     
    Seawolf1090, Mar 25, 2012
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