Evolution and is God Evil

Well... hmmm...

theory.... hmmmm...

here is a theory... and as such unproven and probably one that can not be proven...

which IMHO also applies to the theory of evolution as well...

The God particle... if I understand it correctly it is even smaller then anything they have been able to measure so far?

and it exist... if it actually does... between or all around everything else... ?

so here we go...

what if those particles are God or God is something like those particles... in that God is around and all through everything?

if that is the case... not sayin it is mind you just putting forward a theory...

then that would explain many things both within the Bible and in science IMHO...

we do NOT know what causes gravity but we know it is there...

now...

let us suppose the stuff in the periodic tables has been around a very long time?

if these particles were God... or God is similar to or like these particles...

why couldn't God pull together and create a entire planet using the very old stuff from the periodic tables in one day?

kinda a Gods lego's kinda thing?

if God were these particles or something like them it would explain how everything any of us do is known?

the concept/theory at this point is nether provable or unprovable IMHO...

just something to think on... if ya think on it there could be many other tie ins to this theory...

but it's just a theory

 

An interesting exposition OD, but the concept, as described could not be considered a theory: (a theory in the realm of science has a very specific meaning) However, if the described concept is unfalsifiable (unprovable), then the concept does not even rate as a scientific hypothesis...if, potentially the concept may be provable, using the scientific method, then the concept might possibly rise to the level of becoming a scientific hypothesis. A scientific hypothesis, and a scientific theory, though related, are quite distinctly different things. Hypothesis vs Theory - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

 

The periodic table of elements is not like some container of building blocks to construct stuff with....it is simply an arbitrary system of classification (taxonomy) used to describe and sort in some relational way, the known elemental substances in this universe discovered thus far. As elements are discovered, the table is amended. It is quite likely that not all of the elemental substances that constitute this earth have yet been discovered, let alone what constitutes the universe: and so, the periodic table of elements is likely to be amended, periodically

Which god are we talking about?...before we can discuss the possibility of a god pulling together (elemental substances) and creating a planet (in any time scale) we might wish to consider the nature and characteristics of the god that is performing this cosmic act of creation. How do we know that such an entity exists that can perform this function?

 

Pretty much anyone who knows anything about me knows the only way there's a kid in my house is if I kidnapped one of the neighborhood vandals and have him locked in the cellar.... far, far away from any luxuries like coffee, chocolate, or sunlight and fresh air.

The evil doer has a colonoscopy scheduled for Thursday, however, so I should probably cut slack on this round.

 

said it was just a theory and food for thought... however for that matter...

how do you know such does not exist or can do as... speculated?

and IF God is the stuff between molecules why couldn't God cause them to do things like draw closer together or further apart?

and as to time... with that kinda power... why couldn't it be done in what we call a day?

the periodic table was intended as a example of what may have been around for a very long time...

as to amending... LOL everything humanity has ever come up with eventually gets that treatment IIRC...

as to them just being a table...

doesn't everything that exist have at least one of them (in the table) in it?

 

Things that make you go,,,,,,,,,,,Hhmmmmmmm,,,,

 

I didn't feel it as a kid either. Let's just say that certain life experiences perhaps made me more sensitive to the universe around me. I'm glad I found that feeling because my life has been so much better since...even through tragedies.

It might be like finding love - when you are desperately seeking it you can't seem to find it, but once you quit looking it sneaks up and raps you up side the head.

 

Oh, sorry...I forgot to give ya'll my sunglasses

 

Damn 007, you got crazy specs! Lol

 

@Brokor - I must be Nobody, because I KNOW God exists.

 

chelloveck

As I have already said you are a interesting person...

I find much of your posting to be of a certain... nature...

there seems to very often be a slight to moderate ridicule toward others in many of your post...

sort of like you are all knowing and all judging... and these peons are but toys for you to play with...

I have also come to the conclusion that...

to me... you post from a certain... arrogance?...

and oddly perhaps there is a little bit of a certain... ignorance... perhaps it's academic in nature?

don't really know... so can't say... but so far after reading many of your postings... I find I care little for you or them...

it has to do more with my perception of you attitude then much of anything else...

Now... for the record... I am not attempting to sway anyone to a specific belief...

as I said just food for thought... do with it as you will... or ignore it all together... I don't really care...

as someone once said TANSTAAFL...

I was given something long ago... it has served me in a manner I'm not sure I understand... but it has always been there...

for me there IS a God and that God is the Hebrew God of Mosses, Joshua, David, etc...

that I reached out to for what I received... we should remember... it is said.... ask... truly, deeply, as a child would...

for I was a child at the time... and I was answered...

your opinions are... for me... now of very little importance... best wish's...

n May God Bless, you and yours and keep you all safe and well...

 

I have a habit of trying to imagine what people I meet may have been like when they were children. I wonder how we would get along if we both had met at a young age. Often you can see little reflections of the kid a person once was show through in times of emotional distress or joy. Imagining a person this way helps me to understand them more completely by recognising those little day to day habits they exhibit as adults.

A fact of life I have come to recognise is that anything you do, you will inevitably get better at doing. Nothing is omitted from that rule, even things you don't realize you do. I believe this is a fact that relates to religion as well. Learning about the bible and having faith in God from a young age can deeply instill the belief within a person as they grow older. It becomes their state of normality and it feels right for them. It's part of the niche they aquire in life and becomes the foundation that they compare everything in life to (kind of like drying concrete). Whether or not this belief is true is irrelevant at this point because this is the way an individual is content with their life.

I'm not out to shake a person's faith. I realize such an attempt would be futile anyways since it is their faith to keep regardless of anything I say. But I would hope that a person of faith would have the courage to glance up to see what's on the other side of the wall they put up every now and then just for the sake of knowing what's over there. It's one thing to be strong with one's belief but it's another to be ignorant of reality.

 

I did notice a few jabs made by chelloveck when I was reading his post that seemed a bit unnecessary. I can understand the kind of feedback he got in this thread from OldDude and chimo as would be the natural reaction from anyone who might feel that their intelligence was insulted. I think he makes a lot of great points and he is very knowledgeable in this area but I really don't find the attitude particularly productive since it puts others in a defencive position. I'm the here though and I want to maintain my respectful position towards everyone on this forum with a neutral perspective regarding people on either side of the argument.

I just call them as I see them.

This discussion would be more effective and beneficial for all if everyone could refrain from pointing out whatever character flaws they find unappealing about another member and just stick to the actual topic of discussion.

Mutual respect is like oil for the gears of conversation while the lack of it is like rust causing them to jam up.

 

Meanwhile a billion Chinese keep plugging away like they have been for thousands of years. Maybe they got it right.

 

I think to some people here...being identified as "interesting" might mean somewhat different things to different people. The actual meaning might be clearer with the help of intonation....much the same as being described as "special" can be a positive thing...or otherwise. My postings tend to be fairly eclectic, but clusters of interests and standpoints do seem to become evident. Mostly I address myself to the issues and arguments being discussed rather than the persons discussing them. Sometimes folks are inclined to be a little snarky when they are called on fallacious argumentation, and I have been known to reply to snarky ad hominem attacks with some snarkyness in return, usually, but not always with a little wit and whimsy.

If any ridicule is directed by me, it is most usually directed at some opinions and beliefs expressed by others. Often the problem is that some folks hold their beliefs and opinions as quite central to their identity, such that any perceived criticism of an expressed belief or opinion, is taken as a personal attack upon them, and hence, may feel aggrieved that opinions and beliefs that they hold precious to them are too robustly challenged. Sometimes that can sting. I get that. However, ridiculous, irrational, illogical, and harmful opinions and beliefs argued fallaciously, are not deserving of special, deferential respect. Nor should they be shielded by the possibility that the proponents of such beliefs might feel upset or aggrieved that their pet beliefs or opinions crash and burn due to not surviving close critical scrutiny.

You are not alone in that perception, whether it is warranted or not. My inclusion on some fellow monkeys' ignore lists may be evidence of that shared perception. On the other hand, others find me to be a personable, pleasant person. I have fairly regular telephone conversations with one of my American monkey friends....the conversations are very amicable and mutually respectful...even if we may not necessarily agree on everything that I may post here.

As no examples of this academic tinged ignorance have been given, it's difficult to offer a reply....I tend to try and define terms, where appropriate (it saves frustrating ambiguity, and the potential for goalpost shifting), I try and reference with links, material which elaborates or provides evidential support for what I am arguing. Some concepts being discussed might require some relevant background knowledge, and in some cases, it provides a means for those who want to explore the topic more deeply the means of easily doing so. If that is the issue that's concerning you, then I make no apology for that. p.s. I also try and fact check what I am challenging, as well as what I am asserting; It saves a lot of facial egg removal.

My posting style is not everyone's cup of tea....nobody is obliged to like it, let alone drink it.

As is often the case when making value judgements of other people

My perception of you, is of a man of my vintage, or somewhat older; who generally shows care and compassion for most other people. Gentle in disposition, with firm faith convictions. Somewhat intolerant of Islam and its deity, Allah. A person of fairly conservative social values.

I did not take it as an instance of proselytizing. Clearly it was an invitation to metaphysical speculation, with a little personal faith testimony thrown in for good measure. I accepted the invitation to reply to the metaphysical speculation, but chose, then and now, to not respond to your personal faith testimonials. I did with the topic as I would, but clearly that seems to have caused some kind of offence.

No comment.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I don't assume that my opinions will necessarily be of importance, let alone of interest to others....to do so, would suggest an arrogance that is entirely out of character for me. I'm just happy if someone is prepared to engage with my expressed opinions, with some intellectual honesty, intellectual integrity and intellectual generosity. Interlocutory agility and acumen is also greatly appreciated

I appreciate the kind sentiments which stand behind your parting benediction, in the same sense that you might appreciate an equivalent benediction in the name of Allah, were I a Muslim.

Best wishes to you also, OD, and may you and yours remain safe and well.

 

An interesting debate that seems to finally resolved itself amicable and hopefully with respect for differing opinions.

I was much more interested in the falcons of the logic of the original post.

I started to put it under general discussion but figure it would get moved since it did have 'God' in the original post.

Mostly, in my opinion, not like it's the truth, there are holes on the logic for all religions an non religious
It boils down to what do you personally believe. And we can all make a logical argument for what we believe, no matter how many in consistencies are in our beliefs.

So arguing religion or politics is like hitting a rusty nail, you never know where it's gonna go. And it won't hold up well long term