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Falcon15 · Dec 22, 2010

Texas, baby, Texas. Some sunglasses, a shaved shiny dome...

E.L. · Dec 23, 2010

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Texas, baby, Texas. Some sunglasses, a shaved shiny dome...
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Falcon knows, the sunglasses are actually Oakley Jawbone, of course living in the gym doesn't hurt either.

tacmotusn · Dec 23, 2010

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Falcon knows, the sunglasses are actually Oakley Jawbone, of course living in the gym doesn't hurt either.
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Oh well, I guess I will stay where I am at. I look more like Falcon15's chimney Santa.

Falcon15 · Dec 23, 2010

Heh, I am told I look like death warmed over most days. Texans are mighty accommodating. Come on over, the salsa is fine. Speaking as a non-native, adopted Texan, This state has everything Florida has, and more. More illegals, more land, more wide-open spaces...

BTPost · Dec 23, 2010

We Alaskan have a saying, for uppity Texicans, that come north and brag about Texas..... "If we cut alaska in half, Texas would be the third largest State, and if we did it in thirds we could almost make it the fourth largest State".....

Falcon15 · Dec 23, 2010

Yeah too bad 80% of the land in Alaska is basically unusable by John Q. Public.

Quigley_Sharps · Dec 23, 2010

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Yeah too bad 80% of the land in Alaska is basically unusable by John Q. Public.
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Thought I would check on Oregon while i was at it:

http://www.winterwildlands.org/resources/reports/WWA_OR.pdf
Then you have too add our Wildernesses, State public land, BLM land and parks.
This is a interesting fact sheet for forest numbers:

Land Acreage total forest land (most recent) by state

its too bad we are Liberal ran ..

BTPost · Dec 23, 2010

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Yeah too bad 80% of the land in Alaska is basically unusable by John Q. Public.
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It is NOT unusable, it just takes more WORK, than old John Q wants to put in... some of the best redoubts for SHTF folks can be built up here, and there are less than a Million folks, (2010 Census) living in the whole State.... We really do not have to worry much about John Q, out here as he can't live out this far, anyway.... some have tried, and most have given up and moved on.... The worst John Q can do to us is show up in the summers and spend his Touristoe money, and go home.....

Falcon15 · Dec 23, 2010

With all due respect...
Some experts disagree. To quote from Survivalblog.com:

Why not Alaska?
A year ago, I heard one “expert” on the radio recommend Alaska as a retreat destination because it has the lowest population density of any State, and has low taxes. IMHO, he couldn’t be more wrong! The biggest problem is that from an economic standpoint, Alaska is essentially a big offshore island. Many essential items are shipped or flown in. What happens when the ships and planes stop arriving? It won’t be pretty--at least not in Alaska's cities. (Ironically, although it is the most lightly populated state, Alaska has the second highest crime rate in the country!) Coastal Alaska is also earthquake prone. Further, you may think that because of the North Slope oil that the state will have plentiful fuel. Bzzzzzt! Wrong answer! There is insufficient refinery capacity of meet Alaska’s “domestic” needs, and insufficient transport to get refined fuels where they are needed. (Current transport is geared to distributing fuel and lubricants brought in from the Lower 48--not locally produced fuel and lubricants.) So the little fuel left in Alaska post-TEOTWAWKI will be jealously guarded--doubtless saved for critical tasks like running farm tractors and chain saws. So there will be virtually none available for fishing boats or between-town commerce.

In a long term collapse, the residents of Alaska's densely populated coastal cities will likely starve and/or freeze to death. Meanwhile, those in inland towns, albeit better fed, will be geographically isolated so that commerce with the coast will be difficult if not impossible. Bush pilots will eventually be grounded due to lack of fuel, lubricants and spare parts. The only people I foresee surviving are a few seasoned Sourdoughs and native tribe members that still have well-honed outdoor survival skills and are still capable of reverting to a self-sufficient mode. The best set up for this would be a small settlement on a clear water (non-glacial) stream with an active salmon run and a couple of productive “fish wheel” salmon traps.

Another consideration is that the Alaska Pipeline is vulnerable if the power grid goes down. As of 2007, grid power is needed for the four giant electric pumps used to pressurize the oil pipeline. These replaced the pipeline's original diesel-powered pumps. My prediction: In the event of TEOTWAWKI, the Al-Can highway will have heavy traffic with heavily-laden pickup trucks carrying beau coup gas cans, going in both directions: Greenhorns from the lower 48 thinking that Alaska is the place to be and Alaskan Citizens who realize that Alaska is not a viable place to stay in a long term Crunch.
A SurvivalBlog Reader in Alaska Adds:
Mr. Rawles,
As a long-time resident of Alaska, I agree in general [with your Retreat Locales page assessment] that it's just not a viable survival location for most people. Someone wanting to move here should carefully consider whether it would work for them. Alaska is huge, with a low population. While 275,000 people live in the Anchorage area, only 400,00 live in the rest of the state, comprised of over 1/2 million square miles. But more than 99% of the land is off limits to settlement, because it's owned by either government or native corporations. Even if land were available, most of it is inaccessible if you can't afford a helicopter or float plane. Much of it is treeless, windblown, and covered with ice and snow more than six months per year. When the ice finally melts, the roads buckle and heave due to the cycle of freezing and thawing. This requires expensive maintenance that would not be sustainable if TSHTF.

The economy of Alaska is driven by oil income and government spending, both of which would cease if the U.S. economy collapsed. There is very little local manufacturing capability. Sadly, even most natives have lost the ability to live off the land, due to income from various government programs and business ventures.

Home heating is a huge expense in Alaska; $6,000 or more per winter for some households. Even if you have a source of wood and cut it yourself, it's going to occupy a lot of your time.

On the plus side, there's unlimited pure air and water. While wildlife isn't as abundant as most people think, there are more than enough fish to keep everyone alive in a survival scenario. There are almost no insects to bother crops, and although the growing season is short, some vegetables do very well in the long daylight hours in summer. Alaska has one of the best concealed-carry laws in the country, and most prisoners are outsourced to other states, so they would not be a problem in a collapse. Alaska has a high concentration of military and former military personnel, who generally have a sound grasp of Constitutional issues.

Alaskans understand survival. Many who live in villages or in the bush have no running water. Some have no electricity. Alaska is a great place to practice survival skills. But you might not want to stay after TSHTF unless you're in extremely good health, you tolerate cold well, and you're prepared to do the hard work it would take to survive in a hostile environment. - K.L. in Alaska
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BTPost · Dec 23, 2010

Of course these guys are going to have their opinions, and for the average Folks the points they make are valid, but for TRUE Perppers, and Outdoors Folks, none of these objections are a real problem for surviving, out here. I would be willing to bet that QS could do just fine out here, if he were to build a setup, and get prepped, as could many of the rest of the hardcore. This country just does the weeding out, naturally, rather than waiting for the miscreants to do it. If you're here and prepped, you will do just fine, and if you try and come, AFTER, the effort will, as pointed out, be pointless. YMMV...

Wild Trapper · Dec 24, 2010

Last summer 2009 I vacationed in Alaska. While there, I rented a car so I could sightsee. On one or two occasions I visited Sam's Club for gas and food. One of the things that still sticks in my head is how several shoppers used those large flat carts to buy their groceries. Large carts, stacked up with cases of stuff. Those people know how to prep. They may have been buying their winter supply of food. Certainly they were not the 'just in time' crowd seen at the nearby Wally World. However, the Wal*Mart actually had handguns for sale, only on I have ever been in that sold handguns.

Quigley_Sharps · Dec 24, 2010

A diamond shines no brighter
than the Christmas star.
It shines in all its brilliance;
it's seen from near or far.
A symbol of the Christ child
as He lay upon the hay,
It tells to all the waiting world
a King was born that day.
O Bethlehem Star keep shining -
give us faith and hope and love.
Keep our thoughts forever turning
to the Savior up above.
Give us strength and hope and courage
to do our best by far
And never falter in our faith
as we watch that Christmas star...

CRC · Dec 24, 2010

Dear Kids, There is no Santa....the presents are from your parents.
Love, Wikileaks

Pax Mentis · Dec 24, 2010

There is a Santa...he just lives in all of us, in a part we mostly keep hidden the rest of the year.

E.L. · Dec 24, 2010

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Last summer 2009 I vacationed in Alaska. While there, I rented a car so I could sightsee. On one or two occasions I visited Sam's Club for gas and food. One of the things that still sticks in my head is how several shoppers used those large flat carts to buy their groceries. Large carts, stacked up with cases of stuff. Those people know how to prep. They may have been buying their winter supply of food. Certainly they were not the 'just in time' crowd seen at the nearby Wally World. However, the Wal*Mart actually had handguns for sale, only on I have ever been in that sold handguns.
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Yeah same here, we usually have two or three flats loaded pretty hard with groceries and canned goods.. I love Sam's Club.

CRC · Dec 25, 2010

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There is a Santa...he just lives in all of us, in a part we mostly keep hidden the rest of the year.
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Oh I know that....It was a joke...that's all.

melbo · Feb 7, 2011

Why don't guys wear mesh vests anymore?

CRC · Feb 7, 2011

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Why don't guys wear mesh vests anymore?

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I'm pretty sure I just threw up in my mouth a little....

Lit 1911 · Feb 7, 2011

Its been a few minutes since ive seen my girl,and i already miss her.

Tracy · Feb 7, 2011

PaxMentis said:

There is a Santa...he just lives in all of us, in a part we mostly keep hidden the rest of the year.
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Of course there is! And... not everyone hides it the rest of the year.

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