Selling fuel to the North in Winter at cheaper than what it takes to Produce it.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HK_User, Feb 17, 2021.


  1. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Nothing new. this is a rehash of poor production and Politicking in the Clintons way of years ago.
    PRESIDENT CLINTON'S CLIMATE CHANGE INITIATIVES

    In fact it was pointed out back during the energy crisis how the south was going cold while the NE was sweet and warm with plenty of juice to burn.

    Call it what you like but it once again a way to control the Energy Producers Production and allow/promote DC's control over the people.

    Most were not alive in that last Energy Fiasco and some are now dead because of poor decisions in this last storm.

    Keep an eye open as to why it will be claimed to be the energy producers fault.
     
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  2. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    All the blather about ERCOT is just stirring the pot to finally get Texas more under the thumb of the fed regulators than we already are. And I'm disappointed that some of the noise came from our own governor. Nobody talking about how many century old records were broken statewide in the last 10 days nor the fact that our temps will again be above normal next week. It's WINTER TIME. We need to just suck it up and look to our own preps and how to improve them ourselves. My Grandparents must be looking down and laughing their azzes off at how soft and squishy we've gotten.
     
  3. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    I believe what this really shows is just how weak/poorly managed/poorly maintained the electrical infrastructure is in the US.

    So, if we get hit with with something as minor as a X1 class flare, this current kerfuffle will look like the proverbial Church Picnic.
     
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  4. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    The whole power system is SNAFU.
     
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  5. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Close down the coal plants, subsidize wind and solar, limit fracking, stop new pipelines, pay for wind and solar even if not needed, pay rate for home generation at regular rates then refuse to allow system to charge $7.00 a KWH when every thing fails, keep costs of generation and distribution at a minimum, then when the system fails, blame it on the "blood sucking capitalists" at the power company and refuse to let the free market work, next crisis, hurricane, heat, or cold, rinse and repeat.

    Here in NH screaming that republicans will not let the towns put in subsidized megawatt solar systems that being owned by the towns pay no taxes. Power co doesn't want more subsidized power being used during optimal conditions, as no one wants to pay the cost of the standby conventional power needed when the "green" energy is off line. What do you mean, you are going to charge me for the lines, upkeep, and generators even when I don't use them and going to buy my excess power at 20 cents and charge me 50 cents for the electricity I buy back from you. Need to get Buydem and all to make the system work, no charges, get 20 cents then pay 20 cents, then scream when the system falls apart.
     
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  6. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Raise prices of motor fuel at the pump due to "production demands" for heating oil and then screw the people again later with a "Surplus" of heating fuel, and raise the price at the pump again! What a scam, everyone knows it's a scam, but nobody has put a stop to it, dems love their tax revenues this brings every time! And like clock work, every "event" will trigger another price "Adjustment" to make up for some fake issue!
    And while we're at it, let's raise the price of Diesel and Jet-A, just to further screw everybody and collect more taxes!

    WHAT A FUCKING SCAM!!!!!
     
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  7. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Bidumb goes down the same failed road as Obummer--Taxpayers will get screwed again, consumers will get screwed again.

    List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies – By Obama

    Update: 7/19/16: The Amonix Solar: FAIL!manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.

    • Solar Trust of America: FAIL! – Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012


    • Bright Source: FAIL! – Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”


    • Solyndra: FAIL! – Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.


    • LSP Energy: FAIL! – LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012


    • Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL!On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy


    • Abound Solar: FAIL! – Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.


    • SunPower: FAIL! – SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.


    • Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.
    • Ecotality: FAIL! – ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.


    • A123 Solar: FAIL! A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.


    • UniSolar: FAIL! – Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.


    • Azure Dynamics: FAIL! – Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.


    • Evergreen Solar: FAIL! – Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.


    • Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.
     
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  8. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    So. Socialism in all its forms has failed every time and yet the left is still trying to get us there.
     
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