I can't believe this, methinks a sellout is beginning Trump Wants Joe Manchin's Gun Control, Rejects Steve Scalise's National Reciprocity Push | Breitbart
Why are you so surprised? He may have won his presidency on the backs of voters who voted for him simply because he wasn't Hillary, but he will flip-flop on just about anything provided that doing so is in his best interests....conservatives voted that clown into office...and i guess that they will just have to suck it up when he sells out on them. Welcome to the real world of @realdonaldtrump.
We’ll see,I think Trump loves this country more than to do something like that. I don’t think I’m wrong ,we’ll see.
"methinks a sellout is beginning" No, I don't think so. I think he is looking for common ground on both sides to get something passed. My opinion is Trump is really trying to get some done on anything and everything because the nation's biggest complaint is/was "nothing ever gets done in Wash. D.C....all they do is kick the can down the road...they never tackle or do anything about the major problems" So, I think he wants to shove that isn't happening on his watch. Anyway, I listened to the meeting today about Gun Control with Trump and etc...didn't sound like a sellout to me. It does look like minimum age will be 21 to purchase, don't know about possession. I think that is okay with me, not sure yet as still thinking it through but think that is okay as long as the younger folks still can shoot if an adult is with them. Like I said in another post, I understand that at 18 they can carry a rifle for their country but the difference is there are experienced NCO and Officers overseeing them. “requires background checks on all commercial sales.” How does this differ from what I am doing now here in Idaho? Every time I purchase a firearm here, they get on the phone with my SSN and call it in to check me out. Takes about 10 minutes at maximum. Isn't that what this "Universal Background Check" is all about? Can someone talk to this? My greatest fear with this is it would be done by the federal government which I no longer can trust at all - period. Again, can anyone talk to this? @chelloveck Please stop acting the little troll and go sit in the corner with the rest of the children and color...
Bandit .. did you know that providing your SSN is optional? I've not provided it on any of my 4473s and still went through. Just sayin.
Me Thinks that Chelloveck is making valid point... the second amendment is of little use if there is no due process To protect the people from the whims of others..... YMMV
@VisuTrac " did you know that providing your SSN is optional?" Yes, and I don't provide my SSN either but here in Idaho they still run a check on you via phone, takes about 3-10 minutes. @Witch Doctor 01 "Me Thinks that Chelloveck is making valid point..." Ah! Guilty before proven innocent...with no one fact to support it. Anyway... I have read Chell's post 5 times now and it is not his point that I dispute just his lack of manners, especially his sly, childish taunts against conservatives, religion and or President Trump. Perhaps we should resort to the same playground attics towards his precious LBGT with the same disregard and demeanor? As far as 'Take the guns first, go through due process second' that is a very slippery slope...
If they change gun ownership / buying to age 21 , what's that going to do with gun possession ? I was stomping the woods at 10-12 years old hunting squirrels and rabbits with 22s and 410s , is a hunters safety course gonna change things. This is not the country I grew up in,,,,
I've said it many many times, it's not about the guns. The progressives could care less about school children, just look at Chicago. How much air time and hand wringing is going on about all those 'chillins getting shot dead in wonderful Chicago. No, the progressives care only about control and they will take it one tiny piece at a time until they have the whole pie and the gutless cowards that call themselves the Republican party gladly say it's only a little piece, what can it hurt? They are too stupid to look at the long game or too lazy, or perhaps they are all playing the same game.
Obviously, none at all. Now, if there was a school invasion and (say) there were (say) 20 dead, I betcha there would be serious hand wringing and long winded speeches by rahm with his chief cop standing right behind him. It is the shock value of mass vs. single that gets the attention.
Actually that would be a STATE Issue, determined by State Statute... I suspect if the FEDs tried to make a Possesion Age Statute, they would get TRASHED at the next Election, No matter WHAT PARTY they belonged to, by every hunter with a child...
In my humble opinion the problem in Washington isn't that they do nothing, but that they do too da** much. Since about the end of WW2, it has became the US central governments duty to furnish welfare, medical care, food stamps, housing assistance, care for the retarded and the mentally ill, set standards and finance education, provide the money for medical research, finance most bridge and road construction. pay for the airports and the FAA, pay for all natural disasters, backstop the banks, the housing mortgages, the stock market, control firearms and explosives, monitor our phone and internet usage for pornography and anything else they wish and we all could add to the list, expanding the national parks, destroying the lumber industry, etc. It used to be that those issues were funded by the states. Now our wonderful politicians scream that the states can't afford to pay for the rapidly expanding needs and desires of their mindless voters and the federal government must pick up the slack. At 20 + trillion and counting for the national debt, I don't have any idea how the new socialist left is going to finance things when the present bubble bursts. I just pray that they can keep it together until I die and even at 80 years old, the odds of that happening are increasing every day. I don't see Bernie, BLM, etc going quietly away and if the worst happens, we may envy the Venezuelans as they at least don't have a racial war going on as well as an economic collapse.
I see the President encouraging the attachment off all sorts of stuff to a gun bill... knowing it won't pass. He wanted to keep National reciprocity in a separate bill, and said so, because he thinks it will pass.
and he did it on National Television, on CSpan... It was the same as the Immigration Summit... suck in the Demoncrats, in a Televised MEETING to get ALL their Goofy Ideas on the table, where they can NOT take them back, and then let them try and get all that BS thru to a Bill on his Desk, if it ever even gets that far, then he Pocket Veto's it, and it goes away... He is FAMOUS for doing these kinds of things, in his business Dealings, and the Demoncrats just fell for it, AGAIN... Wait, and see...
Yep, just flipping the turd on the table so everyone gets a sniff. Not at all like the beast's propensity for cloak room dealings.
Yeah...I caught that also but his words were something to "it would never pass if National reciprocity were attached to it"; however, it did make me stop and wonder as one can never trust any words coming out of a politicians mouth, even Trump's. Let's hope BTPost's prediction is correct, "suck in the Demoncrats, in a Televised MEETING to get ALL their Goofy Ideas on the table, where they can NOT take them back, and then let them try and get all that BS thru to a Bill on his Desk..."
Problem is, the first person who challenged any attempt at this, as a violation of the 4th Amendment, would OWN the government. Doubly so, if their firearms were seized, then they were found to be sane, by a psychiatrist. In fact, as evil as the ACLU is, at times, they would likely take up the banner, to defend the right.
