Email about PTSD and anti-depressants

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Mar 10, 2018.


  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    got this email today... NOT taking these may be for the best? And the anti-male anti-white and anti nearly everything that was America atmosphere... is it playing a role as well?



    According to a study conducted in the past year by the Department of Veterans Affairs, the oft quoted “twenty-two veteran suicides per day” figure isn’t quite accurate. The actual figure is twenty, which is objectively no less concerning. The real horrifying figure in that study, however, was that roughly sixty percent of the veterans that take their own lives each day are regular users of VA services.

    This statistic raises serious questions about the treatment veterans are receiving for Post-Traumatic Stress, depression and anxiety, but those questions may not all be fairly directed at the VA themselves. That VA study concluded that, while veteran suicides have increased in recent decades, suicides among civilians have as well. An adult American civilian in 2014 was twenty-three percent more likely to commit suicide than they were in 2001. While this number is smaller than the veteran statistic (at thirty-two percent) it is still indicative of a mental health issue in the United States that extends beyond those of us that spent time in uniform.

    A number of recent studies have shown that anti-depressants, the most commonly prescribed course of treatment for PTSD and depression, may not be very effective at managing or reversing the negative emotional effects of the illness. In fact, often anti-depressants score only slightly better than placebos in clinical trials. Combine this poor rate of effectiveness with the comparably high rate of adverse side effects, and the suicide rates among those being treated for depression begin to make sense.

    The most common side effects among those being treated with anti-depressants are sexual dysfunction and weight gain. While seemingly trivial, compounding these issues in the life of a veteran that is already struggling with depression for the sake of a medication that may not actually be helping serves to exacerbate the situation rather than remedy it. The pills these men and women take to get better, often make things worse. Weight gain and sexual dysfunction can negatively affect the relationships of those seeking treatment, weakening support structures and increasing the likelihood of a suicide attempt.

    Within the medical industry, a fierce debate is raging over the effectiveness of the medications used to treat PTSD and depression. Unfortunately, there have been a number of studies that back up both assertions. How is it possible that two camps within the same industry, working with the same medications and often even the same facts can come to two completely different conclusions? In September, a study published in the medical journal PLOS set out to determine exactly that. What they found was that clinical studies that emphasize the negative side effects of anti-depressants are often not published, whereas studies that indicated a positive outcome for the prescription of these drugs met a much higher publication rate. In effect, the studies that argue against contemporary thinking on the topic often go ignored or under reported.

    Recent clinical studies have shown that, even among the severely depressed, most anti-depressant medications have a negligible effect on many patients. Using a test commonly referred to as the Hamilton Rating Scale, physicians rated patient’s levels of depression using a point scale, with a score of eighteen or higher indicating severe depression. The patients were then given either a common anti-depressant medication or a placebo. In order for the medication to produce a clinically significant improvement in the mental health of the patient, the anti-depressant prescribed patients would need to indicate an improvement on the Hamilton scale of at least three points over the placebo.

    The study concluded, however, that the patients taking anti-depressants scored only 1.8 points better than those taking a sugar pill when tested again after treatment. While this does indicate that the pills work better than the placebo, the difference is so slight that it fails to qualify as clinically significant. The medication may indeed be helping, but so little that its effects may still fall within the scope of the infamous placebo margin. It’s important to note, however, that those suffering from the most extreme forms of depression did see a larger effect from the medication than the average patient.

    Anti-depressants may indeed help, but clinical studies suggest that they are not as effective as they would need to be to produce a measurable benefit if the lives of the ever-growing number of veterans they are prescribed to. The VA, for all its faults, may not be entirely to blame for the sixty percent of veteran suicides that occur on their watch; without effective treatment options, suicide rates will not diminish. The side effects many veterans experience as a result of the medications only make the situation ever more difficult to resolve.

    With all of these problems and so few solutions, the prognosis for America’s veteran community that suffers from PTSD or depression seems grim. If the medications we prescribe are hardly helping, what else can we do to curb suicide rates?

    The answer, according to the American Psychological Association would seem to be therapy. Studies have shown that psychotherapy produces better long term results and leads to fewer relapses than the use of medication alone, and the two working in conjunction with one another offers even better results.

    The issue with providing increased therapy services to the community of veterans that are suffering from PTSD can be seen by any veteran that has ever visited a doctor at their local VA Medical Center. If you come in seeking treatment for your depression, you will likely spend a few short minutes speaking to a physician before receiving a prescription and being sent on your way. Providing hours of counseling to each patient that currently takes anti-depressants would require a dramatic shift in the way in which care is delivered, and would certainly increase costs in terms of staff and facilities.

    Because the medical community is currently torn on the topic of the effectiveness of anti-depressants, it seems unlikely that the federal government will choose the side that requires a dramatic increase in funding and restructuring of treatment methodology. With so much disagreement among medical professionals, it would be difficult to blame them.

    Until the medical community is able to make an absolute determination on the proper course of treatment for our brothers and sisters in arms struggling with their demons, we’ll likely continue to lose twenty of them a day. Studies suggest that therapy and medication together can produce real results, but that will require a shift in cultural perceptions about depression: no longer can we think of it as an illness we can cure with a handful of pills. It turns out, speaking to someone may still be the best option to treat PTSD and depression.

    In the meantime, I urge veterans to reach out to your old fire team. Call your buddies or shoot them a message on Facebook. Make sure they’re doing all right, and if they’re not, let them know that you’re there and are willing to help. The United States Armed Forces are the best in the world, in no small part because we look out for our own. Take care of your brothers and sisters, and let them take care of you.
    If you are having difficulty with depression and fear you may harm yourself or others, please reach out for help. Remember, speaking to someone is still the best way to get better.


    Remember, we're all in this together,

    Derek Paulson
    Prepared Patriot
     
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  2. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Thank you for sharing this with us. Unlike the school shootings, 20 vets a day being lost is not a crisis, and while finding funding for proper treatment is impossible, it does not seem to be a problem finding the funding for the F35. Well Caesar found it easier to build new palaces than to fund the retired in his army so nothing ever changes. When I drive around I see memorials to those who served in our past wars, although the Vietnam war took many years to enter our public spaces, but it is difficult to find any mention of those who have served in our non wars of the last 25 or so years. At 80, I have not in my life seen any real progress in the treatment of mental problems, we now have drugs that either hide the symptoms or allow the individual to function in a manner tolerated by society but at a reduced capacity. I have seen many cases where either the medication fails to continue to be effective or where the individual for what ever reason quits taking his medication and often due to the continuing underlying untreated problems, that may be followed by very psychotic events, ranging from intense discomfort to suicide and at the extremes mass shootings.
     
  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    PTSD cause and effect is still being researched as a way to find a cure.
    The PET Scan as a research tool has reveled some of what we want to know.
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    A brain positron emission tomography (PET) scan is an imaging test of the brain. It uses a radioactive substance called a tracer to look for disease or injury in the brain. ... Other imaging tests, such as magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and computed tomography (CT) scans only reveal the structure of the brain."

    It is proven that signals that cause what we have termed PTSD are transmitted into a brains central center that is connected with the basic fight or flight functions of the brain that we have survived with for millenniums.

    These signals are recorded as a way for the human to recognize when to and how to survive. It appears that each person has different levels recorded for any one event. The result is what we call PTSD. We do not know why each person may have a different response to the same event. PTSD does not have to be about Combat, but anything the person's brain considers note worthy about surviving in the world they choose or are forced to live in are recorded.

    PTSD can be debilitating in many ways, a person who has experienced pain from an injury in the Military, medications for the pain and then a Less than Honorable discharge caused by the use of the prescribed medications may experience PTSD in a manner that combines the training experiences as well as the treatment of an unfair discharge.

    Each person is different and it is mandatory that each person be treated by a professional that is accredited for PTSD. It is important that a person try to understand what caused the PTSD. While this may sound simple for a combat rating of PTSD the time to discover the cause can be extensive.

    One Vet may have experienced PTSD from Combat sounds and awakens in a bad dream in a cold sweat. They wake up maybe with a memory maybe not. Sleep disturbed and if enough of this happens each night then they become sleep deprived and unable to function in society for a time.

    Another Vet may awaken from a perceived sound or lack of a sound that was primary for their safety in their Military Service Time. Again we may have PTSD from the past event and sleep deprivation.

    A third Vet may awaken from a bad dream having sensed/smelled a substance connected to a survival condition they experienced while in the Military, again this depends on their service and the events.

    So this is just a sample of the experiences that can cause PTSD and the reason it is so difficult to treat and even to diagnose.

    The experienced events become hardwired and very difficult to remove.

    Some use prescribed medications, some use Group Therapy, others self medicate with drugs or alcohol.

    This is my experience in helping Vets, if you think you have PTSD seek processional help ASAP.
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2018
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  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Be very careful when seeking help, do not agree to any medications with out researching it first and getting a second opinon of it. Never agree to a psych eval. out side a accredited V.A. treatment center. Don't want your visit recorded by a State, and become a part of your "File" in any way. Never settle a claim, you need to maintain your status as ongoing!
    There are many other options besides medicines, if at all possable, avoid any meds! And if any one wishes to chat, I can be reached here through PM.
     
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