U.S. Dept. Of Defence authorizes lethal force in assisting Law Enforcement!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ura-Ki, Oct 15, 2024 at 21:00.


  1. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Holy shit, you guys need to see this, It's 100% True ( I Checked my self), and should absolutely Alarm everyone here!

    https://www.youtube.com/live/mJ1Kuoi4yTc?si=FvacNn7_PwtZrkCA

    Two possible scenarios here:
    1) November 6th after the elections, we know there will be one of two outcomes, ether of which would likely ignite a powder keg and set us off on Revolution, THIS could be how the one side KEEPS POWER, Prevents the "Change of Command" as it were from the party in power to the new party lawfully assuming power!
    2) This is used because of terror attacks planned to take us down during or just after the elections, all those millions of Illegals brought in across our border, all sleeper cells programmed to attack us when we are at our most vulnerable!

    This should absolutely scare the shit out of everyone, it violates all sorts of constitutional laws, and should we find ourselves living under this, there will be a reckoning
     
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  2. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    sniff, sniff...

    What's that I smell? False Flag events in the oven?
     
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  3. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

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  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey



    A better 'splaination of this and what it means!
     
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  5. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Posted on it a few days ago. No way of knowing what will happen as it is open to being looked at in different ways and of being part of a declared emergency. Would write it off as tinfoil hat, except the actions taken the last few years have taken the mainstream well into tinfoil hat country. Capital and a couple of "right wing" protests so called as well as BLM all indicate we are living in dangerous times. Gives lots of powers to president and administrative part of system.

    Well could be used even if not legal, old 9-11 dangers and the new laws to help "control the dangers". Trump is dangerous, the moslums and the many young immigrants are not. Go figure that one out.
     
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  6. Downunder

    Downunder Monkey++

    So, some military will fire on civilians and some military will fire on military firing on civilians. Civil War 2
     
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  7. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    And the civilians will fire on the military!
     
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  8. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    Hunker down, wait until the smoke clears, take out the rest.
     
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  9. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Holy shit... No, it is not some zany tinfoil nutcase as this is a DoD Directive, referenced and approved and illegal but who is going to tell the Sec of Defense that it is illegal? Biden? Harris? I doubt Congress has time to get their heads out of their backsides to reverse this prior to election so...we're screwed.

    Once again, the Democrats out maneuver the Republicans taking the high ground and forcing the Republicans to react instead acting first or...the Republicans are part of it.
    Either way, this is a game changer. One general with butt sniffing officers and pension seeking senior NCOs could snuff out any spark for freedom or worse - a full-blown coup. This is bad. Real bad! DoD 5240-01 read it and weep...

    Still doubt the Leftists won't do whatever is necessary to win this election? Don't. They are all in and will win or burn it and us to the ground.

    I must admit, this really sets the stage for a civil war... It truly looks like it will come to blows. God help us.
     
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  10. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Now we know how they are likely gonna take/hold power, they will Kill Trump for real now, no more messin about with amatures, they cannot even wait till after the elections and accept Vance, NOPE, they will Kill Trump and this is how the leftists take over with their ONE party system, and they will absolutely kill you and I to hold on to their power! Jan 6th would look like a Kindergarten Party next to what would happen if/when they Kill Trump, the Patriots would explode in Rage and lefties are not equipped to deal with that kind of force, so,......................This, and just like the Nazies did in 38, declared everything Legal and went about destroying the world!

    Awaken Cold Iron, AWAKEN!
     
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  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    This is actually the scariest thing I've seen happen in my entire life.
     
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  12. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Same Here!
    I have been out of uniform too long, and no longer know who I can trust, or if they will uphold their oaths. Years ago, I would have called this crazy talk, the folks I knew would never in a million years even consider this kind of thing, and would have told Sec.State to go pound sand. Today, I seriously doubt any of the senior officers would ignore an unlawful order like this, and might actually carry it out if so ordered! THIS is Bad, It would actually pit the regular military against the National Guard, which would make this super bloody, the only thing that we might be able to count on is the Special Forces, the guys at the very tip of the spear who would likely stand against something like this, and would instead join with the Patriots and Nat.Guard to repel such forces and remove those in power!
     
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  13. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @Ura-Ki "Today, I seriously doubt any of the senior officers would ignore an unlawful order like this, and might actually carry it out if so ordered! "
    Wait. Correct me if I am wrong, but if I am right, this Directive makes it even more dangerous. This is not an 'unlawful order. This DoD Directive makes it a legal order to use lethal force against civilians if directed to do so.
    If I am correct, and I am pretty certain I am, this takes away any legal conflict military personnel might have. This basically is clearing the fog and/or the reluctance of the Chain of Command to follow such an order making it even more dangerous.

    This has disturbed me so much that I did a bit more digging on the two conflicting laws which this Directive is supporting or against. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act. It's rather long but worth your time and I put it in note form from a few different sources:
    (NOTE: The Posse Comitatus Act (1878) is weak tea and will not protect us as the Insurrection Act (1807) does overrule it if used. Both badly need review and updating...but they won't be for the obvious reasons so don't hold your breath.)

    1. The Posse Comitatus Act consists of just one sentence: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.” In practice, this means that members of the military who are subject to the law may not participate in civilian law enforcement unless doing so is expressly authorized by a statute or the Constitution. (NOTE: This covers only the Air Force and Army. The Navy and Marines covered by a different statute but same thing.

    2. The Coast Guard has express statutory authority to perform law enforcement and is not bound by the Posse Comitatus Act. The District of Columbia National Guard, unlike all other state and territorial National Guards, is always under presidential control. The Department of Justice has for years asserted that the DC Guard can operate in a non-federal, “militia” status, in which it is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act.

    3. The National Guard are rarely covered by the Posse Comitatus Act because they usually report to their state or territory’s governor. That means they are free to participate in law enforcement if doing so is consistent with state law. However, when Guard personnel are called into federal service, or “federalized,” they become part of the federal armed forces, which means they are bound by the Posse Comitatus Act until they are returned to state control.

    4. The main statutory exception to the Posse Comitatus Act is the Insurrection Act. Under this law, in response to a state government’s request, the president may deploy the military to suppress an insurrection in that state. In addition, the Insurrection Act allows the president — with or without the state government’s consent — to use the military to enforce federal law or suppress a rebellion against federal authority in a state, or to protect a group of people’s civil rights when the state government is unable or unwilling to do so.

    5. There are no constitutional exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act.

    6. The National Guard can operate in “Title 32 status which means Guard personnel are paid with federal funds and may perform missions requested by the president, but they remain under state command and control. That means they are not subject to the Posse Comitatus Act, even though they are serving federal interests. A key part of control is the governor’s right to decline a particular federal mission. However, that right is meaningless if the president can simply approach a different governor and ask her to deploy her state’s Guard into the unwilling governor’s state.

    To counter the Posse Comitatus Act is the Insurrection Act. The statute implements Congress’s authority under the Constitution to “provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”
    (NOTE: Non-law enforcement is covered under the Stafford Act)

    1. The Insurrection Act suspends the Posse Comitatus Act

    2. In theory, the Insurrection Act should be used only in a crisis that is truly beyond the capacity of civilian authorities to manage. However, the Insurrection Act fails to adequately define or limit when it may be used and instead gives the president significant power to decide when and where to deploy U.S. military forces domestically.

    3. Sections 251 requires the State's consent and allows the state legislation or in some cases, the governor to request the President's aid to suppress an insurrection in that state.

    4. Sections 252 and 253 allow the president to deploy troops without a request from the affected state, even against the state’s wishes. Section 252 permits deployment in order to “enforce the laws” of the United States or to “suppress rebellion” whenever “unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion” make it “impracticable” to enforce federal law in that state by the “ordinary course of judicial proceedings.

    5. The second part of Section 253 permits the president to deploy troops to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” in a state that “opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”

    6. Who decides if meet the criteria for an insurrection deployment? Sadly, it is the President as the Supreme Court decided early on that this question is for the president alone to decide.

    7. Is the Insurrection Act the same as declaring martial law? No. The Insurrection Act generally permits the military to assist civilian authorities (whether state or federal), not take their place. Under current law, the president has no authority to declare martial law. Also, the term marital law is not defined in law so by definition it doesn't exist.

    "No president has unilaterally invoked the Insurrection Act against a state’s wishes since Lyndon Johnson did so to provide protection for civil rights activists in Alabama marching from Selma to Montgomery in 1965."
     
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  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Some of us may have always known how this was going to end, at least I always did. I can say that it won't be this simple, there are layered control paths incorporated. From a multitude of Emergency Powers, to Posse Comitatus, and onward through the Patriot Acts and everything surrounding insurrection...all of this is just ideas on paper and contingencies for a rainy day until that day actually happens. We are not dealing with an actual government functioning like government. We have many, many corporations and private interests who got into the government business before most, if not all of us were even born. Not one iota of "government" is legitimate. We operate under emergency rule and Admiralty Law, or the law of merchants. Every Federal, State, and Local "government" operates within codified law, from the United States Code (USC), Federal Reserve Code (FRC), Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), Internal Revenue Code (IRC), and every State Code and onward. Previous to the insolvency of our nation, we operated exclusively under Common Law and State Law alone with the Constitution as the highest Law and every rule of American Jurisprudence operating accordingly.

    Even the term "Insurrection", according to Black's Law Dictionary is afforded it's viability by the United States Code.

    We are not free sovereign Citizens of the State in which we reside. We are unfortunately, products of the corporations who have invested in our debt value and labor as collateral on a national deficit that can never be repaid. All of the property we believe we own isn't ours, we are taxed on all of it by the real owners, the State. And as this system of usury reaches the threshold, the bottom will fall out and we will be ruled under absolute despotism. A People once proud and free can, and will be brought to their knees when they are starving and being murdered in the streets.

    Or perhaps enough will learn from the mistakes we've made and somehow turn this all around. Perhaps there will be enough to fight who are not too old. Perhaps enough have procreated and passed on their wisdom, although that's not what the numbers actually show. Maybe this is all just the end of all of this and the start of a new nation. Maybe we can find a way to rebuild a better version of our Republic -I'm not holding my breath, but it's possible no matter how unlikely. The Declaration of Independence is the blueprint. We just need to inspire the future builders to follow this blueprint. You know, if we all don't die in a nuclear war or a cosmic apocalypse.

    Boy, I'm a bowl of cheer, right? :cool:
     
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  15. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I've kinda been hoping that some pissed off nation state would take care of the vermin issue in and around DC. The rats have grown large and menacing.
     
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  16. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    Nice dissertation Brokor.
    Some of the circles I have been known to frequent are terribly upset over this. More so than Jan6. Maybe more than anything in my memory. This could well be the spark.....
     
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  17. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I just see it as a new player on the board. Could be good, could be bad.

    Certainly the Military is positioning itself to be able to take action if everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

    I'm certain Trump approached the military with allegations of a stolen election. However, I think they told him "Not this time, sorry". This looks like preparing for "next time" to me.

    I also don't know which way the brass will lean. (Juntas look super profitable)

    I agree the SOCOM community will swing right, but upheaval in an insurrection may lean the whole military right.

    This all hinges on a known ethical and charismatic leader to emerge to bring the middle together. Jordan Peterson? Canadian but speaks well and seems based in religion, logic, and philosophy. Sadly, I can't think of another. Joe Rogan, maybe? Elon Musk, he's mad at the left for fucking up his son and studies counter arguments, IMO.
     
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  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The last time this happened JFK was assassinated. Then, just as we thought it could happen again, Bobby was assassinated. Reagan started to make the shoe fit, but that was quickly put to rest, too. Now Trump steps up and tells it like it is, calling out these criminals and he's being shot at all the time now. No, the CIA has made it quite clear how they like to maintain their power. No charismatic leaders unless they are bought and paid for.

    If it were me up there on stage being shot at, I'd damn well use every last shred of influence and money I had to pay off assets who could help me eliminate CIA goons wherever they are in one, massive strike. I'd use any retired LEO and spec-ops teams available. Hostile threats to our nation can be shown special treatment, after all...who is gonna complain about rogue agents who murder for a living?

    Without striking directly at the source, there's no change. The money outfit will still be in power, and their agents of chaos will still be able to roam the cabin freely killing whomever they choose. And let's not even mention the dark society in the cities deep underground -they play by their own rules and obey none of our laws. Really sucks that they can also become anybody they wish, too. Any security clearance, any time, and then *poof* gone.
     
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  19. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I wasn't expecting a peaceful resolution, to be clear. I expect in 2034 there will be 100 million less Americans and a right wing dictatorship when the pendulum swings back really fucking hard.
     
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  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Quite possible. We can just as easily fall to a radical right as we can a radical left movement.
     
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