Electric Vehicle Madness

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by johnbb, Jul 28, 2023.


  1. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    I'm listening to the car radio and on the "news" their warning people nationwide with the heat the power grid will be over taxed due to people running their home air conditioners. The thought came to me if the power grid can't handle demand for home AC how on earth are they going to supply electricity for EV's. Guess you will have to choose do I drive or do I have home AC. Couple this with States like NJ and other blue blue States want to do away with gas stoves, and gas hot water. heaters. Guess you will have to choose do I cook or take a hot shower. Is this global warming insanity ever going to end ----
     
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    HA!
    We were out driving the Dodge P.W. the other day, saw a Rivian sitting along the side of the road, plugged into a brand new Harbor Freight generator with a couple of youngsters standing around on their phones trying to figure things out! I laughed so frickin hard, I just drove past and rolled a little coal, cause 'Murica!
     
  3. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    These kids are probably tree hungers driving their EV charging it with a gas generator... Think I'd opt for the gas powered canr---wish you had taken a video ----classic stupidity
     
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  4. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I go home after work and turn on my A/c and plug in my car.
    They probably bought a "120v only" generator and it wouldn't charge.
    You have to use a 120/240v neutral/ground bonded generator to charge electric vehicles, preferably a diesel.
     
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  5. Kamp Krap

    Kamp Krap Monkey++

    Should have stopped and charged them $500 to get them up and running ;)
     
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  6. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    There's a special place in heaven for people that roll coal on liberal tree humpers
    This is the one true and only place for a face mask...In a cloud of exhaust smoke, Rock on!
     
  7. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Best way to charge a not completely dead electric car is to drag charge it at highway speeds with a tow vehicle.
     
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  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I burned so much used motor oil in my diesel suburban it would roll sludge on people.
     
  9. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Cuba has had routine electric blackouts for years due to and aging system can we be that far off. Adding more electric demand EV's, banning the use of gas for stoves, hot water heaters. gas powered tools and no new power supplies coming online seems like a recipe for blackouts. Electricity rationing coming to your neighborhood.
     
  10. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    There's a lot of tech out there that is going to get investment money trying to make stand alone green feasible. Nickel/iron and molten salt batteries for storage, inertia wheels, ect for black out protection, green generation improvements (which are exciting to me as a grid booster), and energy efficiency tracking tools and improvements in buildings.

    When the lights start going out, natural gas peaker plants will be popping up all over brand new. Hydroelectric is the prettiest girl at the ball, but rarely gets to dance. Nuclear is serving life in prison over trumped up charges.

    Earth batteries and Schumann resonances may become a thing again.

    The huge amount of money moving around is going to just get bigger. I manage HVAC, automation, and apparently now energy "stewardship" for a 2M sq' hospital and have just been green-lighted to spend whatever I need to in any way that doesn't effect the patient experience.
     
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  11. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Electric vehicles are a tool, for us an electric assist bikes work very well. Solar charging we get over 150 miles in the assist mode, and we can carry about 50 pounds of "stuff".
    Getting a 4-wheel vehicle does not seem to be in our future.
     
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  12. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Wish I could share your roses outlook
     
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  13. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    the real way for electric vehicles to go mainstream is to standardize on a quick replaceable battery pack.
    The car doesn't need to go 700 miles. maybe 180-200 and then you pull into the 'battery' station and pull up to the robot operated booth and then follow the prompts on your 24 inch touchscreen dash.
    Enter your credit card information and bam, 10 minutes later your old battery is removed, replaced with a fresh one and you are on your way!

    Doesn't matter if you are driving a micro compact commuter car or an ultra sleek lucid dream .. same battery format no matter the brand.

    It'll be revolutionary to the industry just like the 20 and 40 foot containers were for shipping.

    Also, if you see this coming down the pike, and there is an opportunity to pick up a few shares in the company .. it might be a good investment.
     
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  14. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    I'm so glad we are being forced to put all our eggses into the electricity basket with dozens of single points of failure. Perhaps that's so a Tyrant can more easily control us by cutting our ability to heat our homes, cook a meal, etc., with the flip of a single switch.

    I've nothing against electric vehicles, but we still have some serious issues to resolve before they are truly ready for prime time:
    • Enough "clean" power generation for the supply to meet the demand. The only truly viable sources are hydro and nuclear. Wind and solar aren't up to the quantity required and each causes a tremendous amount of environmental damage for their production and disposal. They are nothing more than feel good nonsense when pitched as replacements for fas turbines and coal. For off grid they are fine, but not to power urban areas.

      The US needs to fund an Apollo scale program to develop practical fusion. That is the only real solution that would not be environmentally detrimental.
    • Power distribution needs to be increased and upgraded to provide no single points of failure. It must also ne implemented to be resistant or, if possible, impervious to EMP damage. This would also be a real investment worthy of Apollo level commitment.
    • Power storage, whether as part of the distribution system or portable for vehicles needs to be VASTLY improved and use a process that doesn't pollute and peranently damage vast reacts of land as does the production of lithium ion batteries in china. This may be a non polluting chemical process likely based on hydrogen. We aren't there yet as feul cells lack efficiency, but again that Apollo level of commitment is needed for a practical solution. Another option would be a micro fusion reactor based on the research discussed above, but that's likely a long way off.
    Even with all that it's a serious mistake to make one source of energy do everything, A few years ago at the same time Texas lost power, we lost power here in Oregon to over a hundred thousand people. My power was out for over ten days. If I didn't have natural gas for my stove and fireplace we would have had a hard time keeping warm and cooking meals. I'e since found how to run our gas based furnace and water heater with a portable generator and I guarantee my next house will have a standby multi fuel system.

    Last point is that IMO an electric vehicle should come with a built in generator to prevent being stranded. It would preferably act like a hybrid and allow the car to be driven, even if slowly, until it could recharge or refuel.
     
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  15. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I have been watching and I vesting in Koenigsegg for some time now, Christian has made HUGE leaps in electric motors and controls and is hyper fixed on Hybrids, he is also at the forefront of new piston engine technology and alternated fuels. I agree with his plans and see what he is doing as the correct way forward.
    Other notables is start up Liquid Piston company, those guys have come up with time crazy new designs that actually work and do what they claim, you combine that with what Koenigsegg is doing and you really got something.
    Finally, there are other things on the horizon, a return to steam as a power source, only self generating electric powered boilers to provide the working power to the turbines to do what ever they need them to do!

    Battery tech isn't keeping up, and likely never will, the energy density needed is not even close to efficiently, and unless some drastic new tech comes along, likely will never make it viable! The swappable change up would work, but getting a single source interchange isn't likely, too many hands in the cookie jar, so I would not count on that ever happening!
     
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  16. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Storage is the Achilles' heel of electric vehicle. The destruction created through mining to earth, water, and air is worse than that of fossil fuels. All electric isn't viable outside dense urban areas until that is resolved.

    I fully agree with yout thought process.
     
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  17. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    Electric vehicles have there place in big cities and suburbs for short hauls but to go total EV is ridiculous . Who will supply all the lithium for these batteries
    It ain't us we produce virtually nothing
    Australia and Chile: Dominating Global Lithium Supply
    Rank Country Share (%)
    1 Australia 46.9%
    2 Chile 30.0%
    3 China 14.6%
    4 Argentina 4.8%
    What we do have is vast amounts of natural gas, coal. oil not to utilize is national suicide.
     
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  18. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    All I'm sure of is todays battery's ain't worth a plug nickel for the money.
     
  19. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    It's a proven fact that spouting off common sense like this can make the typical ignorant leftist's head explode. In fact, AOC almost died over this.
     
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  20. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    The problem isn't really battery tech, it is that the first thing that usually happens when a breakthrough is made the company begins to devise ways to monetize it. Hydrogen mercury cells have been around forever, the main use being in satellites. They do 30,000 cycles and retain 85% capacity at that point. They are made of cheap hydrogen and cheap nickel with an expensive palladium "mesh" inside. As soon as someone finds something other than palladium that works, the price will go up instead of down. The same is true with lithium iron polymer batteries, China cranks them out for pennies per WH, and all of the middlemen making a buck drive the price to barely affordable. If we ever get a company with a "slow nickel" mentality, we may see affordable battery tech. I am pretty sure energy storage is gonna be a thing sooner than we realize.
     
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