Is Civil War Possible?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Minuteman, Aug 1, 2022.


  1. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    I too have always referred to this event as a 2nd American Revolution vs a 2nd civil war. Personally I would prefer a revolution because it to me would stand a better chance of keeping this nation intact at its conclusion, and I do agree with Thomas Jefferson.

    I do not believe there can be a peaceful solution to this problem any longer, the left does not want it, and frankly neither do most on the right. Both sides feel that to "fix" the country the other side must be crushed and brought into their line of thought. To me that only leads to secession, and it in turn to another war between the states. During the War of Northern Aggression the country was divided North vs South. This time that will not be the case. You have the left coast, but within it there are many folks who would side with conservatives of Idaho, Wyo and Montana. Then you have the midwest and the south that are conservative as a rule but have their own pockets of liberal/socialists. The east cost is considered liberal but there are pockets of conservatives esp in the upper NE states. So you're gonna have all these pockets of lefts and rights fighting for what they believe in,not to mention a good 'ol fashioned race war mixed in and it will tear this beloved country of ours into pieces. As much as I hate the thought of it, I think the CONUS will end up looking like Central America as far as a land mass housing a bunch of little countries. Unless during the earlier stages of combat the left side calls upon and gets aid from the UN. OR an outside country bides it time and then stages an invasion to gain control of our resources. I know the last couple of sentences sound a bit tin foilly, but it "could" happen.

    I've read and reread this thread since it was posted trying to figure out how to put into words how I feel-I'm not very good at that. I am angry, hurt and just pissed off at where this country is at. I love this country with all my being. Members of every generation of my family have served her since before the War of Northern Aggression and it truly breaks my heart to think that there will come a time when she is no more.
     
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    If it does come. Please let it be during winter, After deer season.
     
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  3. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I always go back to what Matt Bracken wrote of this, a very plausible if not highly likely scenario!
    The Left have silhouetted themselves upon the skyline, in their grab of power, they cast off the cloak stepped out from the shadows and showed the people who they really are, Traitors! In doing so, they have painted themselves as targets and painted themselves into a corner from which they cannot escape. What I see is a Civil War between the Left and the Right, which will eventually turn into a revolution as the Right kills off the Lefties and collaborators, and then the racial issues will come next, I expect to see a whole lot of WOKEs killed off, and a sudden realignment of values, while the illegals will also be hunted down and killed. Once there is a clear path, Revolution, with the Conservatives taking control and reforming government much closer to the founders visions, BUT, with very direct, explicit changes! I expect to see a VERY limited government with massive oversite, at the same time, Dems and Repubs being held to exacting standards of ethics and Constitutnal alignment. I expect to see many serious changes, and the Country as a whole become much stronger both at home and abroad! I expect to see a New U.S. on the world map, one who no longer sticks its nose into others business or acts as the worlds police,, but one who acts with absolute power and strength and crushes all who stand against us! Chine will be ignored, we will be forced to stop importing Cheap china crap and forced to produce our own crap at home, Mexico and other countries will also loose big time as the U.S Pulls back it's trade and focuses on rebuilding, China goes tits up and ether strikes out, or they fade away into obscurity as Russia did at the end of the cold war! It ain't gonna be pretty, but I see it as inevitable now, were too far along that road to turn back now, and it can only end one way, pretty much as Bracken wrote!
     
  4. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    "OR an outside country bides it time and then stages an invasion to gain control of our resources."

    That is my great fear, especially as the Leftwing Loonies have made our nation a laughing stock on the world stage. Our enemies no longer fear us. I am sure there are those who would take the chance of carving out a slice of American Pie for themselves.
     
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  5. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor under the misguided idea that America was decadent, lazy and weak and would be a push over. Their thinking was 70 years to early.
     
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  6. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea so I'm just throwing it out. Not endorsing it but it does keep coming into my mind more and more with today's headlines.
    Back in the '80's there was a pastor from I believe Romania who was convicted by the Communist government of smuggling bibles into the country. He was sentenced to death. They tried to execute him but something always failed. The power shorted out on the electric chair. Then a gun to the head and it misfires. This spooked the authorities so they ended up exileing him. He came to the US where he had a nephew living. Anyway that is the preface. He began to have prophetic dreams while in prison. He saw the destruction of the US. He was told in his dream that he was to be sent to the US to warn them.
    His "Eagle and the serpent" vision is said to foreshadow the 9/11 attack. I don't put a lot of stock in the nostradumbass method of "interpreting" prophecies after the fact. But the thing that keeps bringing my mind back to him is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled. One that seems to be more and more likely to transpire.
    In it he claims to have seen America at a time in the future (this was in the early 80's) when the people would rise up and rebel. The government would have its hands full trying to put down this internal rebellion. The enemies of the US, Russia and China would join together and sieze this opportunity to launch a surprise attack. He saw submarines off the Eastern seaboard launch missiles at New York City, Washington DC, and other East coast cities. Meanwhile bombers would come in from the north, over Alaska and would bomb strategic targets in the west. More submarines would surface off the west coast and launch missiles at military targets. The results would be that the govt and the military were severely crippled. While many cities were destroyed much of the country was spared. The forces of the rebellion would join with remnants of the military to repel an invasion. It would be a mighty struggle but the US would prevail in the end.
    Vivid imagination or true prophet? Just the dreams of a demented old man? Who knows. But I can't help but remember his dreams when seeing headlines like the one recently of Russian Submarines staged off the East coast during Sabre rattling before the Ukrain invasion. Stories about Russain Bear Bombers repeatedly and more frequently infringing on US airspace over Alaska. China and Russia boasting of hypersonic missiles that could reach US cities before they could be detected.

    It also reminds me of this passage

    "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." Acts 2:17
     
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  7. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Sound like the old LDS meme of "the Constitution will hang by a thread".
    White Horse Prophecy - Wikipedia

    OF course, these were the people the US Gov't of the time sent two numbered Army's to wipe out.
     
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  8. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    We are indeed in dark days Minuteman, America is certainly perceived as week though it’s the leaders who are week not the core people of America. Yes there are those who would be happier in Sodom and Gomorrah but as I recall, it did not end well for them. If we are attacked, I think the blade of grass analogy will be most apt. As for the weak, evil and corrupt, they have sown the wind, not let them reap the whirlwind.
     
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    and those Army’s were very lucky that they lived, due to being allowed to winter in a fort down by Point of the Mountain, and being able to buy food and hay, from those same LDS Church Folks.. This contined until they were recalled east because of the Civil War outbreak… That Fort is still in use today…
     
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  10. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    A civil war would require the other side to be armed and they abhor the second amendment.
    During winter and outgunned.
    Might not be a big deal.
     
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  11. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    No kidding, I read the story on Lot Smith (a real old school, kick ass fellow) in doing research for one of my books. Him and old Port Rockwell (this name turned up in one of my books as well) were quite the rowdies.

    The funnest part was when his crew fired the old Ft Bridger just as the US Amry was within sight of the structure.
    Lot Smith - Wikipedia
     
  12. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    and “Old Port” (Orin Porter Rockwell) was Sheriff of Saltlake County, and ran a Saloon at Point of the Mountain, just on the southern County Line, between SaltLake County and Utah County..(Provo area). His Saloon oversaw the Army Fort, and did a nice bit of Business with the off-duty solders….
     
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I don't think so. The dumb lefty idiots can't stop killing each other.

    I wish there was a close up view of that dip shit getting his neck gashed open by that future Doctor.
     
  14. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

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  15. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    If I was an imaginative man, I would imagine riots between the underprivileged inner city escalating until they boil into the declining middle-class in the burbs. The shit gets way more aggressive and murderous, unconstitutional government crackdowns are put in place but all the well publicized death and mayhem allows mob rule to be enacted again. Semi-permanently this time.

    20 years later, it all breaks loose. Possibly hell like Rwanda or Libya, probably not peacefull like Czechoslovakia. Somewhere in the middle, French revolution or Egyptian Arab Spring style maybe.

    Constitutionalists numbers are declining every day to age. Anything could result after another 30 years. I imagine the United States fracturing. If it doesn't, we would become the greatest threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that the rest of the world has ever faced. (And we are pretty bad about that now)
     
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  16. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    It's coming maybe not in my life time surely in my kids or grand kids life time. We were once referred to as the melting pot but in the last 50 years we have become just the opposite. Special interest groups, pushing diversity not unity as Americans, black racism (never addressed while whites are racist simply because they are white), multi level justice system, corrupt government who constantly lie to us, The list of reasons for civil war are endless.

    Thomas Jefferson once said that "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    We are long over due the tyrants are out numbering the patriots
     
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  17. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    I have to disagree on that ratio.

    I believe good people make up about 60% of the population. The majority are undereducated, misled, and propagandized. I think that part of the population would agree with 80% of any issues.

    The misled masses should all be working together instead of being split into a hundred different factions.
     
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  18. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    That is how these criminal misadministrations work - "divide and conquer, then control". We saw it in a major way with that smug grinning illegal African. The most divisive "leader" (I cannot and will not use the 'P' word for him) our nation has seen since the Tyrant Lincoln. His accolyte Joey Skidmarks is following his lead. Keep the uninformed and uneducated masses divided, squabbling among thenselves and distracted from the true issues.
     
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  19. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    ...and if they had been armed! NO ARMS, NO INSURRECTION!
     
  20. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    Joey Skidmarks is following his lead alright; he's wearing a collar attached to a leash and Obummer is holding the other end!
     
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