The post SHTF Sniper.

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Thunder5Ranch, Nov 11, 2021.


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  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Yep, post-shtf, I would booby trap the crap out of potential hides, routes of travel and so on.
    Create lots of early warning pop-its and such.
    Pre-shtf, that stuff will get you pinched and in the clink....but if you just plan for now , you will be fine. :0

    Also, preparing the land for the engagement you want to have is important.
    Create natural berms around your AO to cut down on site lines. Use rock for vehicle control on approaches, as barriers to slow them down.... and so on. Create a tactical plan of your AO and build up the land to give you an advantage. If you own lots of area, push the trees and brush back to create longer shots, if you can.

    A sniper is much like any other assassin... if they want to get at you, at their own risk... they are hard to stop.
    If you want to give yourself the best chance, create a favorable environment for you to engage within your shooting/fighting ability.
     
  2. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey

    I figure I'm in bad shape in some big areas, but I don't want to derail the thread. I'll start a thread.
     
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  3. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey+++

    don't break the rifle just strip the body of everything useful then bury the sob and keep the rifle and ammo
     
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  4. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    In my two little neck of the woods, 50 yds is long distance. Heavy southern woods. If my dogs don't get him (No not that lazy old fart in my pic.) then, my wife or I will dispatch him. Then SSS.
     
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  5. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    That South Tree line with open field and pasture has always been the weak link and strong point at the same time. It is a lot of open acres to cross giving me a clear field of fire but at the same time anyone could set up inside that tree line and have the same open field of fire. The average and even above average shooter is not going to be making shots from the tree line into Kamp Krap it is right at 3600 feet (1200) yards from edge of tree line to the front door.... but there is always that one guy. One of the problems during a lawful period of time, is that my property line is only 50' into that tree line. Good news is a good neighbor owns the 500 acres adjacent to the South property line. Neighbor to the East also good and the one I shoot Coyotes with. He has 800 acres adjacent. To the West of me its around 5000 acres with no one present and a mix of crop land and some very rugged terrain with no road or even real trail access to here. To the North it is flat level land dense woods for 60 acres and 35 of those acres mine. I started out here with 40 acres and over the years bought three more 40 acre squares and a little 5 acres oddball piece one the West side just to prevent having another questionable neighbor. But I have a 160 acre square now and all of the land likely to ever come up for sale in the middle of much larger farms that are not likely to ever be sold. Up at the head of the gravel/dirt County road is the local problem with a colony of Bubba's buying up 2-20 acre parcels and setting up camp. As the neighbor to East once said "You let your guard down for a minute and whole colony of inbreeds move in." We both regret not buying that Front 60 acres along the State Highway when it was one tract and not broken up into all the little pieces. But he couldn't afford it at the time and I didn't want 60 acres that was not connected to the 160, but in hindsight $2000 per acre the price was good but still $120,000 for scrub land that you could not do much with and not adjacent to mine just didn't make sense to me at the time. LOL 10 years later it makes a lot of sense now.

    You might get me :) or I might get you :) I am not a novice at playing the game of who is the better killer, though it has been 20 years since I played the game for real ;)

    I regularly piss the regional liberal, progressive.... Marxist off. They are only dangerous in their urban strongholds and in numbers though. They are total liquid incompetence out here in the sticks. I worry more about people like myself but with the lack of morality and ethics that would rather take what you have instead of build and stockpile their own. It is not a stretch for me to think like a raider because in many ways I used to be the raider. Counter measures for close in engagements are pretty easy if you always allow for MR Murphy and his damn Law. If I were to go out plundering the Countryside, I would set up and just pick the victims off from the greatest distance possible and then go make what is theirs mine. Everyone plans and prepares for the close up at the front door encounter, almost no one considers being taken out from a half mile away when they open their front door. I hate snipers unless I am the sniper as they have every advantage and you don't even know they are there until they fire. In a possible world with no rules, no law and a free for all the long range marksman could and probably would be a huge problem for many.


    I rely heavily on being in the middle of nowhere in a obscure location on a crappy gravel and dirt road with a couple of dead end signs along the road that gives the perception that there is nothing worth going on down the road for. Can also push over several big dead trees across the road to enhance that perception. Having two Good neighbors of like mind and a mutual defense pact among us also is helpful LOL we CB base stations and iron bells to communicate and warn each other with as well as handheld CBs we carry with us in the field. We have been playing with our own private wireless com network with a few other trusted folks in a 4-5 mile radius to expand the com/warning network out more and it be much more secure than the CBs. LOL so far our coms have been most useful in letting each other know where our lost cow is.
     
  6. Re: #16. Tannerite ap mine would work, but, ( here comes the BUT) when exposed to the open air it sucks up moisture like you wouldn't believe. I DO like the idea of remotely fired land mines.
    Would it be possible to plant vining roses, al multi-flora, with rusty old barb wire. At least slow someone down if he/she were trying to quietly penetrate a perimeter.
     
  7. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    One might create a series of under ground tunnels.
     
  8. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Better idea of what my terrain looks like. Blue Circle is where the Cabin, Mike Cave, Commercial Kitchen, warehouse, on farm store and 40x72 pole barn is....yeah its all well concealed from sat and fly over viewing. Exposed to view is my machine shed and hog farrowing house. The Red Circle is where I took the picture looking South from. The County Road ends at the Red X and west past it is our private road. The Farm consist of four 40 acre square tracts and is a mix of hay, crops, pasture and older growth woods. The North 80 acres being pasture, hogs, cattle and gardens. The South 80 half hay and half rotating beans and corn. The Dirt road that runs SW from my private road goes to one of the Good Neighbors houses on the back side of his property.... Basically both of our back ways out. All of the woods to the West and Southwest are covered with laser alarms, game cameras and real time security cameras. The Woods around the Blue Circle have the same coverage only a bit more of it. The L shape pasture always has very territorial hogs and cattle in them and 3 Great Pyrs that live with the livestock and bark like crazy when they hear someone sneeze 8 miles away. The pits and Pit Mixes have free run of the woods around the blue circle. I have motion cameras in the South Tree line but have to access them via the bluetooth to see what is on them, the wireless just is undependable at best in keeping them connected to the security computer. The Cameras and alarms in the W and SW woods stay flawlessly connected to the computer all of the time.

    Basically the closer you get to the blue circle the more security and defensive capability there is. I have a laser alarm 1/2 mile up the road and a old gas station pressure dinger 1/8th mile up across the county road just under the surface deep enough that the road com doesn't scrape it up and it still dings when even 4 wheeler crosses it. No one comes down the road without notice.

    The Solar arrays (Barely visible) are just inside the tree line South of the Blue circle but catch the full arc of the sun most of the year. Generators and fuel dump is just SW outside of the blue circle can see part of its roof through the tree canopy. LOL don't want something that can make a very large explosion and fire ball near the main buildings :) Farther west of the blue circle are the Hay Barn, winter hog barn, the feed shed and a 5000BU grain bin. Can see bits and pieces through the canopy but not what exactly.

    If you are curious the are east and soth of the red circle is two high tunnels and the Gardens. The Strip South and West of it along the the fence is the new Orchard. And the bare dirt west of it is the Hog Nursery Pens. The little pigs keep those two pens pretty much vegetation free :) The land leased to Verizon for the 5G Tower and the Tower are on the oddball 5 acre piece off of the SW Corner a nice healthy distance from the main areas. They are supposed to rock the dirt road down to the tower......... 5 years later still waiting for that to happen lol. They did however have undergound grid electric ran down the private roads to the tower....... which was not cheap and saved me a good amount of money in putting a electric service in at the South Barn. Diesel Fuel Pipeline runs SW through the NW 40 acre tract and part of the agreement for the access easement with the pipeline is they rock and maintain the private road from the red X west. So far they do a fine job of keeping it rocked and maintained. Looked like a damn war zone when they put the line in though. And yes I like every other property owner on this short line were well compensated for our easements.

    Over all I have a well above average security and defensive system. The one big glaring hole in it though is that wide open South Side. I have though about building a berm along the Road on the South but in thinking through would just be creating a even more secure and closer place for a shooter to take up position.

    Oh I do have two guest cabins in triangle shaped woods by the private road now. Spectacular just 16x40 Kitchen, living room two bedroom and a small bathroom jobs.

    SO there is the land and terrain I have. What would you do different in defending and monitoring it? Pretend it is a blank slate with nothing her but raw land.

    t5r2.
     
  9. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Hell go ahead, I am bad about derailing my own threads LOL
     
  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Know an old man who bought a Conex box and cut a door in the bottom.
    Dug 4 tunnels N,S,E.W to his tree lines, Put a small door at the ends and threw a little dirt and leaves on top.
    Set the Conex over the entrance to his 4 tunnels, Yall get the picture.
    Probably used his ? Kubota backhoe ?
     
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  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Given sufficient time, opportunity, and resources most man made obstacles can be breached: The trick is to site them effectively, and cover such obstacles with sufficient observed, effective fire that opportunities to breach the obstacle are minimised, and the cost in time, resources and OPFOR injured and dead personnel become unacceptable compared to opportunities and benefits to the 'golden horde' elsewhere out of your AO.

    Obstacles can be used as a barrier, particularly in close proximity to the defended fortification, to deny entry to assaulting elements, however they are best used to channel assaulting elements away from places that you don't want them, such as ground that is dead to you, that provides cover or a safer approach to their objective than through flat open ground; and are best used to channel assaulting elements into places that you do want them to go...such as ground where you are capable of concentrating effective aimed fire (ideally. grazing, enfilade fire from a covered defilade position).

    Effective use of concealment and surprise will add to the utility of obstacles. Remember: Don't site obstacles to restrict your own freedom of movement / action. Obstacles should be sited in depth, and should be sited to disrupt the cohesion of assaulting elements.

    Civil Engineer Guide to Fighting Positions, Shelters, Obstacles and Revetments (USAF 2008) Note Chapter 4, which deals with obstacles in some depth.

    Barbed/Razor Wire Obstacles
     
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  12. Steverino

    Steverino #LEAVETHEGOP

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  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I would suggest a stockpile of barbed wire and cut down t'stakes. Tangle foot is a bitch to traverse, especially in the dark........ ;)
    Defense: Obstacles Part IX: Reinforcing Existing Fences | The Lizard Farmer (wordpress.com)
     
  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Perimeter alarms can be low tech fashioned or high tech depending on preference. Also, well trained dogs are tough to beat. As an aside, you may also find use for reconnaissance drones. The best defense against sniper activity is a solid offense. Having multiple routes of egress is important, and that allows you to evade or escape to live another day. But, if a sniper gets the drop on you, it doesn't matter who you are, it's one shot, one kill.
     
  15. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    The abc boyzs all carry a suppressed 10/22 for a reason, The dog is first to go !
    Wonder if a 400# boar hog could be trained or better yet Guineas ?
    Guinea's hate strangers day or night.
     
  16. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    I don't know how that post got up. Pardon me.
     
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  17. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Yep Calving cows are at risk unless you have the proper protection for them. The Pyrs have nothing to do with the Hogs but they stand guard over every newborn calf and cow until they are up and moving and won't let the Hogs anywhere near them.
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  18. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    I'd have those pups if we were on a ranch. Good breed.
     
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  19. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    The domesticated Hogs get very territorial. Very interesting watching them and their social dynamics out on the pasture and in the woods. You would think Buford (650 pound Hereford Boar) would be my herds Alpha and Leader. Nope the 500 pound Alpha Sow is the herd boss. Buford is only the herd Alpha and boss when it is breeding time. I don't cut their teeth or Tusk so they develop some pretty impressive tusk both boars and sows, so they can defend themselves very well. I keep the boars and sows for 8-10 years at year six the litters start getting smaller and when a sow gets down to only 5-6 per litter she gets culled for bacon and sausage. When I get down to only 4-5 sows making 5-6 per little they all go for bacon and the grinder and the boar goes to a compost pile. And the young herd goes out on the main pasture to start it all over again and I buy in 5-6 young wean boars and pick the best among them to be the herd boar at about 3 Months and the remaining get a late cutting and finished out for processing.

    They develop a very complex social structure with the Alpha Sow always being the herd boss and dominant hog, all of the others including the boar follows her lead on everything. Now and then another sow will challenge for dominance and the fights can get pretty bloody but look a lot worse than they are. Two boars in the same herd will fight to the death for dominance, two sows will fight until one submits and then it is over. There is always one that is the Watch Hog, that has its nose in the air and the ears alert for something that should not be there. While hogs may be very lacking in the vision department they have noses that put dogs to shame and amazing hearing. When the watch hog alerts the entire herd alerts. The lesser sows herd the young pigs in the opposite direction of the perceived threat and the Alpha Sow and upper cast sows and boar go toward it to investigate and determine if it is a Threat, Food or both. They develop pretty amazing hunting tactics when they decide something that does not belong in their domain is in their domain........... they fan out and surround it and with a command grunt all rush in on it and destroy it. Things like Chickens, turkeys, Cattle, the Dogs .......ME they pretty much ignore, they have been raised with those things since the day they were born and BELONG in their domain. It gets kind of hairy with ME when I have a 5 gallon bucket with or without grain in it. The buckets make some sound I can't hear and the I suspect they small the grain in it when it has it. But if I go in the pasture with a bucket 50-100 hogs all start running toward me, if I don't take a bucket they completely ignore me.

    Today is going to be one of those hairy days LOL. I have 5,000 pounds of bagged feed on Red to put in the two bulk feeders as soon as they hear Red stop at the pasture gate they will come running, every cow and steer will come running and it will be total chaos. LOL once backed up to a feeder I have to open the door, step on the seat then up on the bed rail, use the hot stick to to get heads out of the truck and close the door........... History has taught me that getting a 200-700 pound hog out of the Truck Cab is not a pleasant or easy task :) Once a couple hundred pounds of feed is in the feeder it becomes a lot less crazy. Today won't be as crazy as Usual as I have the Ford bed loaded with pumpkins and will open the tail gate and go burning across the pasture rolling pumpkins off all over the place to occupy them before I pull Red in with the grain. Filling the feeders is handsdown the most dangerous job here. Falling off the truck bed into even 50 hogs in a feeding frenzy would be a pretty brutal and painful death. A stranger that does not smell right enter the pasture is considered a Threat and Food and would get swarmed pretty fast by the upper cast of the hogs.

    These four are long gone but the boar in the pic was around 500 pounds at the time of the pic, the black and white sow sideways was close to 600 pounds and the undisputed alpha of the herd, the two sows to either side were basically the Royal Guards of the Alpha Sow. They had came over to investigate a intruder in their domain, a young doe that had jumped the fence and decided she should jump right back over the fence as the Hog Strike Force approached her. They are sniffing out where the doe was standing before she made her escape. About 10 minutes after the pic the Alpha Grunted out the All clear and the rest of the herd around 30 other sows, cuts and piglets joined them shortly after that. Pasture Hogs don't really need to be trained to ward off or eat intruders their natural instincts when allowed to develop do the training. The trick is raising them side by side with the things you don't want them to kill and eat :)
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  20. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    That is Koda and Missy when they were younger. Missy Died earlier this spring at 16 years old, Koda is 12 and retired as a house dog now. 4 of their pups are out guarding the pastures now days. LOL Koda last vet trip weighed 212 pounds He grew into a very large dog even for a Pyr. One of his sons is looking like he is going to get as big as Koda. The only thing I don't like about the breed is the constant barking! When I say they will bark for a hours after hearing someone cough 5 miles away I am being more serious than not. Koda has barked so much over the course of his life that he has wore his barker out and can only make very quiet whisper barks now LOL. Or as the Vet put it...... he broke his barker :)

    My best Dog is the ever alert half Pit half Aussie shep Izzapoo always alert and ready to go!

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