biden-administration-stockpiles-more-than-55-million-gun-owner-

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Nov 9, 2021.


  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    this is the report that is claiming such...

    November 8, 2021 By Jordan Davidson

    The Biden administration is using the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to collect and store millions of gun owners’ records that could be used to swiftly carry out President Joe Biden’s anti-Second Amendment wishes, The Washington Free Beacon reported.

    According to the documents obtained by the Free Beacon, Biden’s ATF collected 54.7 million out-of-business paper records and 887,000 electronic records detailing gun transactions and other private firearm information in the 2021 fiscal year alone. These records are reportedly kept in a federal warehouse managed by the ATF in West Virginia.

    The large-scale stockpiling not only signals the Biden administration’s eagerness to crack down on gun owners across the nation but has also concerned gun store owners that the ATF is overstepping its bounds by creating a federal database recording gun owner information. The creation of a national directory is strictly prohibited under the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986, but an ATF spokesman claimed to the Free Beacon that “those out of business records do not constitute an initiation or continuation of any federal gun registry.”

    While gun shops are required under the Gun Control Act of 1968 to turn over their records to the ATF when they go out of business, they are not required to keep their reports beyond a 20-year period. The Biden administration and anti-gun groups, however, want to change that and are largely in favor of heavier federal oversight that mandates a digitized registry that can be searched.

    If a national database is created, thousands of gun owners could be sought out by the administration to “register or destroy” any firearms or related equipment that the Democrat administration seeks to restrict or even ban.


    Biden Admin Is Stockpiling Millions Of Gun Owner Records
     
  2. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    Breaking the law is nothing new to these thugs and they could care less as to what the courts say. I’m not sure how they feel about pruning shears or watering cans for Mr. Jefferson’s tree.
     
  3. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    You know, we can blame all this shit on that senile old fart=bag but he's not doing much of anything; it's the people behind him that's doing all these draconian measures. Biden can't even read a teleprompter.
     
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  5. BlueDuck

    BlueDuck Monkey+++

    Bring it. Lets see how this all ends.
     
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Can't say you haven't been warned. It's not like we've been doing anything about it. Tyranny is the natural path for any "democracy", and our has been off course since before any of us were even born. We've never even seen the republic we lost, it died in its infancy on the Senate floor.

    It's safe to say the fun times are long over, kids. Now it's time to take our medicine and roll up our sleeves because TSHTF soon enough.
     
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  7. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey+++

     
  8. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey+++

    they store the records on VA hospilal property outside martinsburg WV.
     
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  9. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I have always been positive that even though there are laws stating these records are private, can't be accessed, yada, yada, yada the government agencies got them if they want them. Hell, I wouldn't be surprise if they have a current, updated list now. I hope they don't but it wouldn't surprise me. I do know that if SHTF as many of those records as possible throughout the USA needs to end up in flames, somehow, someway. No need to make it easy for them...
     
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  10. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    I have several rifles and hand guns purchased or given to me long before this background check business.
     
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  11. oldman1111

    oldman1111 Monkey

    I sold all of my guns,everyone. Im 79 and did not want to leave those evil guns to my kids.
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  12. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Many if not most guns I've bought in the past have been sold or traded to private individuals and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has done that. My buddies and I used to "horse trade" all the time. It's not illegal so far nor was it when it occurred.

    Any compilation of such records is so outdated as to be minimally useful in the event that ATF comes knocking and demanding. Just off the top of my head I can think of two handguns that were stolen or otherwise "disappeared" some time back in the 80s. I think my ex-wife sold one of them and lied about it. The other was stolen out of my pickup. In the 90's I traded a 10mm purchased from a dealer for a .45 auto to a co-worker who later died of cancer in 2000, over 20 years ago. Who knows where that 10mm wound up?

    And who is going to remember what gun they traded to whom for what other gun 25 -35 years ago? I haven't seen most of the people I've known back then for years. I'm sure those people have re-sold or traded those guns with others since then. ATF is going to tied up for a very long time if they think for a second they're going to find out where all the guns are that are listed in those records.

    I'm sure my story is not the only one and that there are probably tens of millions of others just like it.
     
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  13. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    I was forced to sell most of my gun collection in the years of the Great Recession, had bills to pay and a business to run. I kept a few guns that had sentimental and/or low value, like my first .22 cal. single shot rifle, single shot .410 shotgun and a 20 ga. sxs that belonged to my Father. This past summer I began buying a few guns; a cheap 9mm handgun, and a couple of 12 ga. shotguns. After several years I couldn't tell you who I sold those guns to....hell, some days I can't recall what I had for breakfast. I'm in my 60s and I bet that a few of those guys are dead by now and more are dying every year. I hope that the ATF doesn't expect me to have full legal names, contact information and serial numbers for ALL of those gun sales, especially when it isn't required by current law!
     
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  14. johnbb

    johnbb Monkey+++

    I have 3 sons and each will get what I have along with a supply of ammo.
     
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  15. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    You've got to find 'em, in order to illegally seize 'em. Repeat after me: "TRAGIC FISHING ACCIDENT". :whistle::sneaky:(y)
     
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  16. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    Have you ever owned, or currently own a boat?
     
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  17. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    Kayaking accident while fishing.
     
  18. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I think most are missing the point here... It matters not what you said happened to those guns (sold, fishing accident, ran over by a semi-truck...) you will be forced to produce them or be locked up. Everyone seems to act that if they have a reasonable and logical excuse that the problem goes away. I am scratching my head trying to understand, especially in the last decade, when the Leftists acted in a reasonable or logical fashion. These are the guys that trample the Constitution (think Stalin NKVD) and we expect them to act reasonable when told, "I lost them in a fishing accident..." or "I sold them years ago..." Maybe I am wrong. And, maybe you guys have actually filed a police report stating they were stolen or are lying on the bottom of the lake but... I would not count on these thugs to give a damn about what you say...
     
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  19. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    That's when the rubber meets the road aka Moment of truth.
     
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  20. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    How do the "thugs" plan to imprison 100,000 or more people that can't prove that they really did sell their guns, not to mention those guns that belonged to deceased persons. Here's a story for you. Almost 60 years ago, my Father bought a raffle ticket from a local church. He owned a small grocery store and it was just good business to support local churches, sports teams, scouts, etc.. A few weeks later a deacon of the church came to the store and gave him a new-in-the-box Stevens 20 GA SXS shotgun. My Father has been dead for 10 years, but I still have that gun. Neither of us ever registered that gun. The only owner of record would be a member of that church that purchased it at Sears, Robuck & Co. or Western Auto... 60 years ago! IF that man is still alive, I'm sure that he has forgotten all about that gun. So how would TPTB go about tracking down that gun or tens of millions of others...maybe hundreds of millions. The only thing that they could hope to do is scare some of the gun owners into surrendering their guns, register as many of the rest as they can, ban and confiscate some of the black scary ones, and restrict ammo purchases for those guns owners that registered their guns....of course that doesn't do anything about that guy that has a dozen guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo buried in the woods!
     
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