"M" bridge over Mississippi closed

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by DKR, May 12, 2021.


  1. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

  2. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    Duct tape will fix that right up . :D
     
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  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

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  4. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Personally I might call that just a little bit more than a crack.
     
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  5. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I'd sure like to know the material specs for that steel. I'm guessing it isn't traceable to a mill.
     
  6. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    Stress Corrosion Cracking - NACE
    stress corrosion cracking is the real deal. Everything from buildings to bridges to air planes and ships can have issues with it.
     
  7. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    I would guess the mill is a super fund cleanup project.
     
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  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Well aware, that's part of the question. Untraceable alloys are the bane of dot mil and state engineering organizations. Imagine finding that a few slabs of hull material were not documented. (Yep, have seen that on rolled plates already assembled. Likewise on pipe materials that were certified for nuclear use.)

    Saying that, stress cracking is NOT well understood outside of engineers that have to know about it.
     
  9. Wildbilly

    Wildbilly Monkey+++

    Good, cause I HATED having find that bridge every time that I went through Memphis! What I really hated was getting lost in Memphis...coming and going! Heading east I would end up on some dark county road in Mississippi or Tennessee and have to find Hwy. 72 again, but going west I had to find that one damn bridge across the Mississippi River! Haven't been that way in a while, as I would rather swing south and cross the river at Vicksburg.
     
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  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Haven't been on the Vicksburg bridge since1967. Is it still a two lane piece of twisted angle iron?
     
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  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Didn’t Obbama spend a few trillion Dollars to fix all the interstate Highway Bridges and Roads, to put America back to work? What got fixed, that time?
     
  12. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    The Fix was Obumas Bank account.
     
  13. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    local news has a lot about it. Apparently the inspectors who found it were on 9-1-1 saying "WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE OFF THIS BRIDGE NOW!!!" wreg.com
     
  14. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    They have also halted the Mississippi River traffic. The barges are not allowed under the bridge which will have a huge impact on the supply chain. Trucks can go around the closed bridge but the barges cannot. Not sure how long this will go on but people need to remember the Mississippi river is a vital transportation route.

    Barge Traffic Backs Up Near Memphis Amid Mississippi River Closure
     
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  15. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    Wonder how long its going to take to resolve that issue . I don't see the reason for stopping traffic from going under it,, as long as that crack isn't getting any wider ,, while they're keeping traffic off of the bridge.
     
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  16. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I didn't understand why they stopped also. Seems like over-kill but the DOT thinks differently.
    That is more than a crack. The beam to broken. And even though officials say the bridge was inspected last year, that beam has shown signs as far back as 2019.

    This was in a tweet.
    E1OMwLCXIAES47-.

    https://twitter.com/ManascoD/status/1392613304305061896
     
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  17. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    There is a Bridge in West Seattle that has similar Structural Failures... It is the Major artery to and from that area of Seattle. Three Lanes in each Direction... The city closed it.. and had to reroute ALL the Transit Bus Traffic around the Bridge... The Engineers can’t decide if they need to tear it down, or if repair is even possible... Nothing lasts forever...
     
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  18. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    Thanks for that pic Moto ,,, it gives us a better idea of the break. In the earlier pic , it didn't look like the beam was that big . It's one of the main beams. Puts it a little more in perspective. Thats going to cause a traffic nightmare for quite a while I s'pose .
     
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  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    And a tension member to boot. It can do nothing but widen. There are some temporary things that can be done to permit barge traffic, but there is NO way anything heavier than a baby carriage should be allowed on the vehicle surfaces before a more significant repair is done. Those inspectors calling for immediate traffic stoppage were right.
    Looks to be a brittle fracture, which is why someone needs to take some samples to the met lab and figure out if the right stuff got used.
     
  20. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    If that pic is from 2019 and the inspection was signed off last year some inspector is going to be looking for a new career field.
    That bridge is old enough they were not interested in material traceability very much back then. Odds are they will be able to trace it back ti a handful of possible mills most of which are closed. What are the record retention requirements for structural steel production? Its 50 years for aerospace. Be interesting to see the heat treating on that lot. There are a lot of top notch metallurgists in TN. They might get some of the guys from UT and ORNL involved. I’ve seen quite a bit of SCC in aerospace structures. Its not just engineers that worry about it. It keeps us metallurgists up at night as well.
     
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