So you think the ship stuck in the Suez canal was an accident?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HK_User, Mar 27, 2021.


  1. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Yup, that's the old gir right there! Grew up in sight of her when we moved to Portland, she has always been tied up ether in Astoria or Portland at Swan Island where she was built! Grand Dad was the Ship Yard Manager after the war who helped find and secure all the surplus for the Chief, and helped Ol' Fred build her, and I grew up on and around her when ever she was in Portland, and heard all those wonderful sea stories from the men who lived them! You could say I'm kind of attached to that old boat, and those wo remember her in action will always smile! BTW, she is currently tied along side in Portland, and is ready for action, Floyd says that she could fuel and supply in 12 hours and be ready to sail where ever she is called!

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  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I doubt that ANY SHIP under Sail is allowed to navigate the Suez Canal, especially in any narrow stretch... They would have no way or room to tack...
     
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  3. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

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  4. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

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  5. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Most have engines Not very powerful engines but they do, The Gulfstar had a 6 cyl.perkins diesel we crossed the gulf in
    4 trips total
     
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    GOG Free American Monkey

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  7. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    So when vessels meet and both are under power, the Rule states that that when all things are equal, the move navigable ship gives Right of Way to the less navigable ship... IE smaller ship give way to larger ship, and in such instances as a place in similar circumstances like this, All Ships are under Navigation Control from the Canal Control System (NVTS) via and communicating using Marine Bridge to Bridge Vhf Ch 13... along with AIS Vessel Tracking...
     
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  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It's kind of like a car tangled in power lines 50ft above the ground. You know there's no what they did that intentionally.
     
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  9. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    That Mississippi river is something else,One realizes just how small a 50 sailboat is passing one of these behemoths. We used channel 13 getting into the Harvey locks , The GNO,and up to Lake Pontchartrain to Madisonville
    We looked like ants on the water.
     
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  10. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    Single engine, single screw, with a normal draft of about 48 feet, and a crew of 25. Has a draft of about 45 feet, 1300 feet long and about 200 feet wide. Carries over 20,000 containers and is in fact a huge sail. Canal is dredged to about 75 feet, but shallower by banks. As always with a ship, the slower you go, the less effective the steering is and the less effective the rudder etc are. A good article on the effects of water flow in narrow shallow channels would help explain how it got so stuck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_effect

    The Ever Given is at the practical limits for length and displacement depth, one due to strength of steel and other due to docks and channels, so it has expanded in width and stacked the containers higher, that also requires more ballast for stability and of course when you need to decrease the hull displacement, also less stability.. Don't know if we will ever know just what happened, but there was a moment when it was totally out of control and not yet stuck, that might well qualify high up there for an "Oh Sh**" moment for all involved. There is a pdf that gives the handling abilities of the Golden class ships and it is not good. Don't know how to attach it but it took about 10 min for that class to go from cruise speed to dead stop.



    There was a massive car carrier, the Golden Ray, that capsized in the Gulf Coast a couple years ago, they unloaded sub compacts, reloaded Ram pickups etc, and had pumped 1645 tons of ballast sea water to enter port and took on an extra 450 or so tons of cars, when leaving port, made a turn, and it just fell over.

    Ship Happens: How the Golden Ray's Final Voyage Went Wrong in a Hurry

    As is often true, the truth of the causes of airplane and ship disasters beats the best fiction I have ever read
     
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  11. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Not just cars

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  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Damn aliens
     
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  13. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Rules of the road, commercial vessels always have the right of way vs civilian craft! Two vessels of equal size, the ship on the left hand side has right of way, must also signal with ships horn to proceed or to over take! All civilian craft must yeld right of way to commercial or military vessels regardless of size!
     
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  14. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

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    big boat, little boat
     
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  15. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Both Boskalis and Smit are on-sight and I have seen Jon Poldermon and Johann Foks in news clips there, they are from Svitzer. The big boys are there but there just isn't a lot of room to deploy major equipment and I would imagine that they will build ramps at the stern and begin lightering the vessel with drive-on carriers. A huge ship like that has to be loaded and off-loaded with extreme care because steel bends easily and the weight distribution, when not floating, is pivoted on the contact points. Even a minimal currant distribution over that large a surface area will supersede the ability of structural steel, even one pound per square inch is 144 pounds per square foot and that is a really big SHIP.
     
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    If brute force would not bend or tear the hull and permanently block the canal, it would already be done. There are some ocean rated tugs that could pull her out IF they could get a straight pull in line with her keel. Not possible as it is lodged. @Seacowboys is right, there is some plain and fancy work ahead, especially given the hull below the waterline AND the channel depth, which is marginally able to clear the bottom. Firing up that monster engine on that single screw will churn the canal floor into a canyon and mountain landscape.

    I will not be the least surprised if the salvors don't fill in the canal aft and along side of the ship and waltz in some rather large, specialized, cranes and do some heavy lifting alternating to keep the loading even front to back AND especially side to side. Load a containership without regard to even loading will sink it faster than a torpedo.
     
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  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Update today. "They say" the ship has been moved a bit, and dredging has cleared the rudder. Small pushes in the right places can do it eventually, I have to think.
     
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  18. Looks like a good subject for a documentary or a made for TV movie (Do they still make them?). I think I'd like to see an accurate documentary that told the truth over a dramatized movie. If that ship is sitting on it's ends, and an exceptionally low tide occurred, would it break the ship's back?
     
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  19. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    The deterrent is that Kamala would have Biden fire off a stern letter apologizing for making them unhappy and would require that our troops would have to take sensitivity training,
     
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  20. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    The fish come to the top in the muddy waters, It's dip net time...Participated in several fish dip net rodeos moving land rigs.
     
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