I had been looking for a Form 4 M-16 for sale locally for awhile now. I found a couple in Oklahoma, one is an M-16 for $27,000 and the other is an converted SP1 for $20,000. I put the word out at the local NFA dealer to be on the lookout for one locally and he put me in touch with a local doctor who was looking to sell an M16A2 carbine. A few texts later we came to a tentative agreement to $28,000 and we would do a person to person transfer. We met up today so I could inspect it and I bought it. It was an Arkansas State Police M-16A2 carbine originally and as far as I can find, one of only 700 transferable M-16A2s on the NFA registry. Even though it is marked A2, it has a regular A1 fire control group (which is fine as I didn't want burst anyway).
It has a two position metal buttstock, a 14.5 inch pencil barrel, teardrop forward assist, and no brass deflector. Whilst inspecting it I also found out that it had not been cleaned since it's days with the ASP. The bolt carrier group was thick with carbon and gummy lubricant. The dust cover also had some rust spots, but nothing a little CLP can't remove. Now I am looking into one of the Colt Canada LMG uppers for more of squad automatic rifle role, although those seem kinda scarce and overpriced. I do have a short barrel caliber conversion uppers already (7.62x39, 5.45x39, 9mm, & 300BLK). I already notified my niece that I had spent a good portion of her inheritance, but she is happy to be getting another MG someday. I'll be saving money for another MG in the future as I have also always wanted an UZI SMG since firing one while in the Sinai peacekeeping mission.
Saweeett ,, we were just starting to get those in when I got out. Never got to fire one of'em. Congrats on the new addition to your family..
Thanks, after a little more research I found that it is an early model 723 Colt. I wish I could have afforded one a couple of decades ago, as on a few gun forums they seem to have sold for around $12,000 or so back when they came on the market.
I'm guessing a Grendel upper and Just the bolt will work out fine? Oh and some ammo if you can find it.
Wow, you paid a $27,400.00 penalty and an additional $200 tax for government permission to own the same type weapon they give away to any 18 year old kid that wants to go get killed defending Freedom? I can hook you up with a dremel tool and some fire control parts for about a hundred dollars.
That's odd, I never got killed defending freedom. Guess I must have been doing it wrong. And no thanks about the dremel tool and FCPs, I prefer not having to worry about anal rape in Club Fed.
Funny thing is that I have been looking into convictions for NFA violations and can't find a single one where the person was convicted by jury trial unless it was directly tied to the commission of another felony. If Rangel hadn't sneaked that rider onto the Gun Owner's Protection Act, we could still build or import weapons into the registry for a $200 tax and a m16 would still be under a thousand bucks. I have a NFA trust and several weapons in the registry, some amnesty registered but most built and registered prior to Rangel's usurpation of our rights. The scenario goes something like this: three a.m. flash-bangs through the window, self, wife, and kids flex-cuffed on the floor next to dead family dog while baklava-covered wannabe soldiers tear the house apart, 32 hours in a concrete cell while bad cop tells you about the joys of anal rape and losing everything you own until good cop comes in and says yes, it's bad and we have the goods on you but all you have to do is plead guilty to felony possession of an unregistered firearm and we'll get you out of this for a little jail time and some fines...oh, and total loss of your liberties to own any type of firearm. I'm glad you didn't get killed defending those liberties.
The Supreme Court ruled in 1934, that they could not make machine guns illegal as it violated constitutional rights but they could tax the hell out of them. How can it be constitutional to make a ghost gun for your personal use with no intent to commit crime but illegal to do the same with a machine gun? Answer is, it can't. We need to define exactly what defending freedom is, or at least define freedom in terms our "elected" representatives can understand.
Hahahahaha...just imagining a jbt wrapped up in a greek pastry... baklava vs balaclava ...but rights cannot be taxed, regulated or licensed.
"...or at least define freedom in terms our "elected" representatives can understand." Also know as 'MISSION IMPOSSIBLE'
I'd be more worried about feeding one than the initial price. Kinda like owning a helicopter.....4 hours of maintenance per hour of flight.
That's no joke. A friend of mine worked on B-1 Bombers that were assigned to an Air Nat.Guard unit in Georgia I believe. He told me that taking a B-1 up, circling the airfield, and landing cost over $250,000 in required maintenance before it could be certified to fly again. One of the best things about an M-16/AR-15 platform is the modularity of the upper receivers. If a round will fit in the magazine well, then there is probably a caliber conversion available. Good thing I bought several cases of 5.45 surplus while it was cheap.
In your posts, I get the impression you are mocking me for spending that kind of money to buy an NFA machinegun with the foreboding of the government coming to get me at some later date for buying said machinegun. Yet you state you own several weapons on the registry with some amnesty registered. Not all of us were around when the last amnesty happened or had the financial means or connections with the local sheriff/police chief to buy them before the register closed.
Johnathon Ciener makes a really good .22 conversion kit that is a ball to play with, especially suppressed. Not mocking at all, what was your first machine gun? I am a long time collector and play by the rules, I just mock the rules. It's a tax but the only tax we have where you can't say "my bad" and pay the $200 and be good. It's the only tax we have where they can use it to prevent anyone otherwise entitled to that right from just building a $600 rifle and paying the tax on. I get upset at the inflated value of them and see it as being another law designed to prevent all but the affluent from owning weapons constitutionally protected by the Bill of rights.
Powder Springs Mac-10 .45ACP with original Cobray suppressor. Later bought a Lage slow fire upper and a 9mm conversion upper that takes Soumi drums. I do not like Ciener .22 conversions as I have yet to find one of the 1911 .22 conversions that worked without extensive fitting. I do have a CMMG .22 conversion that works perfectly in my AR-15s though.
I haven't had any problems with my Ciener conversions in the M4, I built a 1911 frame for my conversion that works ok but when I put a .45 top on it, I had to do some work on it. I like to visit with John Ciener at Knob Creek, RH and I both know him, he's a little strange. I have some old Thompsons that I would love to try his conversions on but just can't justify it yet. Maybe he'll let me try one out at the Creek this spring, if I'm lucky. I had a Mac 11 years ago but traded it. What a fun gun to shoot. One of my Class 3 dealer buds had the briefcase suppressor executive protection kit, spy tech...Lord what a great place to grow up. Damned shame my grand kids will miss freedom. How do they buffer a Mac to slow the rate of fire, that was my biggest problem with it, couldn't keep the hungry little bastard fed.
BTW, you can still manufacture DDs and get them in the registry. I am seriously considering getting a SOT and becoming a manufacturer. My idea is that there are tons of obsolete weapons in every Mom and Pop PD in the nation just waiting to be traded for shiny new M4s. Make you a deal, I'll take those old Thompsons and Bars away and give you the latest thing to arm your pastry covered SWATTERS.
If you are stupid enough to have the gun laying about where THEY can find it...then you deserve everything that happens to you!
