Night Vision set up.....?

Ura-Ki · Jan 23, 2019

3M-TA3 said: ↑

I like the versatility, especially since tromping around in the dark looking through a NV scope sounds awkward at best.

Even though we all know this (right?), remember that the more inexpensive NV systems are active and only an advantage against those without NV. Used against ANY other NV you are light up brightly by the active IR. Used against people with later (and more expensive) passive systems all they do is paint you BRIGHT to them while you still have to look for them like other objects.

Against unprepared thugs it's an advantage. Against military or police (hopefully things never get there), maybe just put on an IR strobe and hope they think you are a friendly.
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Ha, some one has been paying attention! Tis why I don't run a weps mounted system, and why I prefer the older Gen 3 stuff, much smaller IR signature on a narrower beam wave length! Laser IR would be even better, but those are still experimental at this time!

3M-TA3 · Jan 23, 2019

Ura-Ki said: ↑

Ha, some one has been paying attention! Tis why I don't run a weps mounted system, and why I prefer the older Gen 3 stuff, much smaller IR signature on a narrower beam wave length! Laser IR would be even better, but those are still experimental at this time!
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Learned from Taku... I'm sure you recall he has quite the background with this stuff.

hot diggity · Jan 24, 2019

I'm enjoying this thread. The last weapon mounted NV scope I got to play with was an AN/PVS2. I've never been a fan, but I do see it as a force multiplier. The AN/PVS-7 was the latest NVG I used, and I nearly walked off a cliff and my driver darn near crashed us into the back of an M60 tank wearing them.

I'm curious about the newest small night vision cameras and wonder if they have any potential for adaptation to sighting systems.

sec_monkey · Jan 24, 2019

hot diggity said: ↑

I'm enjoying this thread. The last weapon mounted NV scope I got to play with was an AN/PVS2. I've never been a fan, but I do see it as a force multiplier. The AN/PVS-7 was the latest NVG I used, and I nearly walked off a cliff and my driver darn near crashed us into the back of an M60 tank wearing them.

I'm curious about the newest small night vision cameras and wonder if they have any potential for adaptation to sighting systems.
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they do.

tech has improved significantly.

however some issues remain.

sec_monkey · Feb 3, 2019

yall

is yall interested in Lucys real low/low/medium/high quality optics?

she be buggin me agin

Dunerunner · Feb 3, 2019

Maybe, if you Spec. it out for us with some idea of cost...

sec_monkey · Feb 3, 2019

well she is contemplating at least 4 different versions, conceptually similar to the ATN but with faster, bigger, better components.

she can add true NV as well, however that will easily get into the thousands vs. hundreds for the less expensive versions

.mil recently acquired some new stuff, it runs about $20,000 per unit

the real gud stuff costs about $600,000 per unit, but lets not go there

Gator 45/70 · Feb 3, 2019

sec_monkey said: ↑

well she is contemplating at least 4 different versions, conceptually similar to the ATN but with faster, bigger, better components.

she can add true NV as well, however that will easily get into the thousands vs. hundreds for the less expensive versions

.mil recently acquired some new stuff, it runs about $20,000 per unit

the real gud stuff costs about $600,000 per unit, but lets not go there
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Your killing me man....Just killing me....

sec_monkey · Feb 3, 2019

the ATN clone should be under $1,000 per unit, possibly well under

Lucy cannot say too much publicly, that is the problem

true NV will be expensive probably close to $3,000 per unit

true thermal will also be expensive but is cheaper at lower resolutions, higher resolutions will push the cost into the thousands

if we get together and raise a certain amount for R&D Lucy can build the prototypes and share em will all yall and if yall are interested she can build ya copies of the prototypes at a special low rate

the lawyers said void where prohibited n blah blah .. ..

Gator 45/70 · Feb 3, 2019

sec_monkey said: ↑

the ATN clone should be under $1,000 per unit, possibly well under

Lucy cannot say too much publicly, that is the problem

true NV will be expensive probably close to $3,000 per unit

true thermal will also be expensive but is cheaper at lower resolutions, higher resolutions will push the cost into the thousands

if we get together and raise a certain amount for R&D Lucy can build the prototypes and share em will all yall and if yall are interested she can build ya copies of the prototypes at a special low rate

the lawyers said void where prohibited n blah blah .. ..
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What can a Goose do

But a Duck can't do

But a Lawyer should do....

Stick his bill up his _ _ _!

sec_monkey · Feb 3, 2019

Gator 45/70 said: ↑

What can a Goose do

But a Duck can't do

But a Lawyer should do....

Stick his bill up his _ _ _!
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yer deathly allergic to lawyers too I take it?

Gator 45/70 · Feb 3, 2019

sec_monkey said: ↑

yer deathly allergic to lawyers too I take it?

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Nah, I just rag them when I can!

Dunerunner · Feb 3, 2019

Somebody explain thermal imagery and if it can be used in conjunction with conventional optics.

BTPost · Feb 3, 2019

Thermal Imiaging uses Far Infered Frequencies, where IR Imaging uses Near Infered Frequencies... Thermal Imaging does Not Require an Illuminating Source to operate, where IR Imaging does require local Emitters of some kind...Usually neither is comaptable with Visual Optics... Thermal Imaging uses Quatz Lenses thruought the Device, where Visual and IR Imaging normally uses IR transparent Glass... It is ALL About the Frequency of the Light....

arleigh · Feb 6, 2019

I had a thought as a kid with my own little cabin the idea that a flash bulb would blind an intruder.
This was a day when flash bulbs were just phasing out to the strobe light for photography .
but I had a load of flash bulb sill with no future in sight .
If you had the forethought to install a powerful strobe light so that some one either on your property or in the house got a full flash you'd have plenty pf time to gain good intel and even locate your self more strategically .

Dunerunner · Feb 7, 2019

Thought about the same thing for home security... A series of strobes all randomly going off would be disorienting for an intruder, especially if they were triggered in total darkness.

wideym · Feb 16, 2019

My first experience with night vision was with the TOW II ATGM. The thermal sight was a wonder of the ages....in 1989. It's still great, but it's bulky and loud when compared to the latest thermal sights. After that we had PVS-5s and first gen PVS-7. The 5's were awful, but the 7's were fantastic. We moved on to the 7 Deltas when I left active duty, but I didn't notice any improvements other than new tubes without any burnout spots like the Alphas had.

When I signed back up and went to Iraq in 2004 though, they had mostly transitioned to PVS-14s. I fell in love with those, so much that when I returned home I ended up buying one from a optics dealer in 2006 (or maybe 2007?). They normally went for $3500 at the time, but a customer had put $500 deposit on one and never picked them up, so the dealer let me have it for $3000 so he didn't have to lug it back with him to California.

I've put about eighty hours on the tube since then, and it still runs like a champ. I'm still looking for a quality IR laser that's not an over priced Chinese knockoff thought.

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