14 Lessons for Transitioning

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Yard Dart, Apr 23, 2018.


  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

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    The Long March

    1. Stay in touch with some of the people you were there with. No one is going to listen or care as much as they do about that part of your life and probably no one will ever understand it as much as they do, so don’t lose touch and check on each other.

    2. At the same time, try to make civilian friends. The military is an important part of who you are, but don’t let it be the entirety of your identity. Sure, civilians might not understand deployments or military culture, but they do understand sports, homework, popular movies, the best restaurants in town, and all the other things that interest you and will affect your life going forward. If you find yourself only associating with fellow veterans, ask yourself if that’s because civilians are rejecting you, or whether it’s because you’re rejecting them. So, like the Girl Scouts teach: “Make new friends but keep the old/ One is silver and the other is gold.”

    3. Keep working out and being physical. Sounds stupid and simple, but running, hiking, climbing, kayaking, swimming, or doing Tae Bo in your basement helps the body feel active and purposeful. Physical fitness and physical stress is a key component to military service and also a good way to work through depression and trauma (even though it may be the last thing you want to do).

    4. Learn a hobby. Anything. Ideally you can do in the middle of the night, when you can’t sleep, like painting or playing guitar or reading ancient history.

    5. Pets are good. And they’ll love you even when you don’t love yourself.

    6. Religious services can be good, even if you are not religious. You are part of a community, there tends to be some emotional honesty, and some sense of the higher purposes of life. You’ll also find out about opportunities to volunteer. (See next item.)
    7. Volunteer work is good, especially if you are between jobs. You can help people who need it (like teaching English to refugees), serve a higher purpose, and feel better about yourself.

    8. Find a cause. One thing that’s powerful about being in the military is the sense of contributing to something bigger than yourself. You’re not just an individual, you’re serving your country, your community back home, and your comrades to your left and right. One of the things that is most jarring about transitioning is suddenly being an individual attending school or getting a job primarily for your own benefit. Find a cause to volunteer for or a community organization to get involved in, and give yourself that sense of higher purpose again.

    9. Give your life structure. Going from the military to civilian life or school is to move from a highly structured environment to a highly unstructured one. Many transitioning veterans struggle with this. Ease your transition by building accountability for yourself into your schedule. Instead of working out on your own, sign up for a class or a running group that meets at a specific time. Intentionally build routines for studying, chores, and leisure, and incorporate contact with others into those routines in order to keep yourself accountable.

    10. Tone down your f*cking language. Most civilians aren’t accustomed to hearing two or three profanities in every sentence. Generally, be careful of sounding too aggressive, demanding or dark.

    11. When civilians ask you about your military experience, it is best to converse one-to-one. If they get intrusive and ask The Question , deflect with humor. (That is, “Did you kill anyone?”)

    12. When an old buddy begins to lose it, if he is from your unit, do what you can to help, within reason. But don’t try to carry it by yourself. Aim to get him or her to professional help ASAP.

    13: Don’t mistake your veteran status for being an expert on geopolitics, Islam, Afghan tribal relations,

    14: In civilian life it is OK to walk on the grass. Even to lie down on it. Just look first. Civilian dogs can be nasty, and humans too.

    Former Enlisted Share 14 Lessons For Life After The Military

    Civilian life is hard to adapt to.... !!
     
  2. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It was easy for me.
    Unbelievably fed up with special ops, the thought of staying in the same base for at least 3 more years was unthinkable.
     
  3. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    You know, thats all pretty much spot on! When I retired, i had many issues, people are not like what I was used to, and some were quite rude, thats not acceptable, worse when your used to respect of rank and experience! I found my self shunning people because they are the way they are. I became some what of a recluse, embraced my inner Mountain Man and was resigned to remain one! Add in a very healthy dose of PTSD and I was not in a good place. Several different people I knew advised me of most of the points above, and i was slowly able to fit in better. I still don't like being around people I don't know, and large crowd's are BAD, even a small restaurants causes my nerve ending to fray, I find my self eating too fast and not enjoying my food, or my Wife's company, and I cannot wait to leave. I don't know if I will ever be "normal" but where I am is about the best I can do.
    I'm sure I'm on some list of high risk Vets, but so far I have not done any thing wrong, and so far, none of my rights have been removed from me for just being me! Now all that's about to change, and I figure I'm one of the first they are going to be looking hard at!
     
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  4. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    I have found this to be good not only for feeling good, but also for motivating youngsters to become more active. I also attribute my good overall health to exercise and a not-so-processed diet.
     
  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Read this, dropped and gave myself 5 good push-ups. Wish I had read this 43 years ago.
     
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  6. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @Ura-Ki

    Not even a vet and I'm like that. I associate with people because I have to tolerate them in order to get along at my job. When that's over (retiring later this year), so is the association. And crowds - forget it. No concerts or sporting events please! Hate sports anyway. Boring waste of time.

    It's bad enough having to go to the supermarket once a week. There are so many people you can't even turn around in the aisle if you forget something, so usually go at 6:00 or 6:30 in the morning.

    The time to become a mountain man is drawing near. Present BOL is 2 miles from the nearest neighbor. They're good people - hard to find these days.

    Gets much more crowded than that and maybe I'll become BT's distant neighbor.
     
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  7. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Only 5 ehh.... next week....give us 10. ;)
     
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  8. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    PUSH UPS, no problem, just don't expect me to do any running! Lol
    I was swimming 3 or 4 days a week, 2 hours a day, not so much now, but hope I can get back in the water soon, preferably the salty kind, but a pool will have to do! I find I get the best excersize swimming, and it' a good way to clear out your head and think about things!
     
  9. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    :eek: I'd better lay off the ice cream, then....
     
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  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Number 10 resonates with me. When I was attending a Vo-Tech class for IT, I made friends with a young man just out of the service. He had that problem, cussing so much the other students were really put off. But I understood. Soon, we were talking, both cussing each other in that good natured way GI buddies do. But, I was able to get him to understand, and gradually reduce the bad language. It was a bit funny though, as people would look at us, cussing each other, and wondering why we weren't fighting. They just couldn't get it. But he improved, and soon was "presentable" in public. He just needed someone who understood.
     
  11. William Warren

    William Warren Monkey+++


    In a way, Vietnam veterans were different than more recently separated vets: we were, more than soldiers of any other generation, eager to shed our uniforms and to return to civilian life and civilian anonymity, so we were, mostly, able to hide in plain sight and "look" normal, even while PTSD and other ailments thinned our ranks year-by-year.

    I understand how you feel, brother, and I don't know if I can explain why. I can eat in restaurants, mostly, but if my clothes don't match those of other patrons, or the menu is too outré, I often wind up leaving and seeking something less fancy, or more plebeian, or less highbrow, or more familiar - but I always want to find a new kind of food or a new location.

    I am not exactly uncomfortable in crowds, but I always need a reason to do something else besides what the crowd is doing e.g., to be a part of a ham radio team taking care of medical emergencies and other public-service activities. I'm OK in small groups, so long as there's a specific subject and an agenda, although I'm always dominating the conversation and demanding schedules from everyone and specific tasks that each attendee will perform. I hate waiting in line, and if someone at a service counter is taking too long to move the line, I might yell out "I hope this doesn't take too long!"

    I'm the guaranteed death of a party: the original wall-flower, out of my depth or comfort zone or whatever you can call it. I don't like making up jokes or gossiping about some inane trivia or pretending that I care about this movie star or that cause célèbre. I forgot how to have fun somehow, and although I can enjoy a joke with a friend, it's only one-on-one that I'm relaxed and able to smile or laugh.

    I am also about as good as I'm likely to get, but still withdrawn and always thinking that there's something else I have to attend to. It's a way of life, or at least the way of my life. I left something on the runway at Bien Hoa, and I'm not sure if I wanted to leave it there, or if I just couldn't bear the thought of taking it with me.

    For what it's worth: Welcome Home.

    William Warren
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2018
  12. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Well said William!!
     
  13. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    From talking to Vets, this seems to be the most important. I have heard over and over the phrase you wouldn't understand. I will never understand but I know that most who do transition find that talking to fellow soldiers seems to adjust easier. There is a FB page called Stick Vet. Some Vets turn there for support and a place to vent because it is a the place where people understand them.
     
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  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I didn't serve in Nam, but was Nam era (not much use for submarines in the Mekong Delta.) We laid low as WW says, it was not the most pleasant transition. I slithered back in by returning to school and associating with other Vets outside of classes. The kids in school were not on our wavelength ---
     
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  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Civilians are stupid and completely undisciplined, without structure and organization, lack motivation and integrity, and have zero world sense. Furthermore, they watch and believe everything they see on television, often talk about nothing important, and easily take offense to anything you criticize. Most of them are afraid of you because FEAR is a part of their genetic makeup and psychological conditioning.

    But, civilians are also part of what we were protecting when we served, so they are not entirely useless. I've found that they do know quite a lot about local events and places to go for much needed items, and they can save you a great deal of time and money if you can manage to pretend to be meek and harmless long enough to get an answer.
     
  16. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    It took me a long time to get used to this and to quit qualifying any civvie this way. Sooo dirty, sooo nasty all over again.....

    I think I saved myself from most of it by being on pretty fast paced construction projects where any slugs or pansies like that didn't get back in the work truck the next day.
     
  17. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Not a vet, but the majority of the people I work with are as are many family members. This civilian fully respects everything you were asked to do on my behalf and the short as well as long lasting sacrifices you made. IMO we would be a better country if there was mandatory service that resulted in full citizenship. The points above about being polite, educated, organized, and motivated, etc. are well made and I've observed this as I've gone through life.

    The vast majority of Americans live in some sort of a dream world with very harsh realities getting closer every day. The only thing that has kept them from awakening into a real nightmare are the men and women who have sacrificed and paid the price for them.
     
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I like the draft, regardless of military needs, we need trash collectors, too (think national service.) Draft and citizen eligibility applied to LEGAL immigrants, i.e., green card holders, student visa holders, and I might even extend that to DACA. (There would be a holy uproar if applied to student visa folks, but they want the advantage of the education, so I see no harm in asking them to participate in the draft as partial payback for the opportunity. Let the slings and arrows of outrage fly.)
     
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  19. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    There are some good points here, nothing new, but valid points...

    But, after being back a few years, and really trying to transition, I realize that it will most liking never happen or it will just take time and even then I will never be like those around me, these supposedly 'normal' people with their 'normal' lives. I have accepted I will never fit in. I have learned that most think me a braggart or a liar so I no longer speak up of past occurrences or experiences and honestly no one gives a damn where I was, what I did and who I did it with and certainly not why. But, it's certainly not their fault. I think once one gets their head around that then you can start to see things a bit better and understand that people here are simply trying to exist as best they can. I wouldn't even call it living but simply existing. They are stressed in almost all aspects of their lives, the biggest being financially and, of course, we are ruled and regulated or bullied to the point of one questions what is right and what is wrong anymore. Anyway...some things are better left unsaid.
     
  20. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    That is why I use rallypoint website.
     
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