Active shooter - Las Vegas strip

all that makes one wonder... I've at times thought there may be certain types of drugs in use...

was a time when many people had no idea that the date rape drug existed...

heard talk about it way back when... 70's era... now most people are aware...

are these people being drugged some how? cause often as not much of this don't make sense...

thing about the politicians having a bill ready suggests there could be some stuff going on behind closed doors...

always wondered at how fast the brits went after weapons after that Scotland thing...

and afterward...

well to tell ya the truth I was expecting something like that here...

sadly it came about... although there are some very strange things about all that happened that still bother me...

 

I wonder what meds this guy was on? Psychotropic drugs have played a major role in most if not all of the previous mass shootings. Something Big Pharma doesn't want us to know about?

 

Which is why I see this whole thing as some kind of False Flag Event. Why is government trying so hard to erase all the increasing evidence that there were multiple shooters? Still far too many questions not only unanswered, but being ignored.

 

So on Fox news last night the ATF stated that of the 23 gun s he had in his room 12 of them had bump stocks to make them simulate full auto fire. It does not explain the one long drawn out string of shots. Clearly more than 30/40 so he must have had at least one large drum magazine . This is going to get ugly for owners of large magazines and bump stocks . I personally dont have a bump stock. I tried one and could not hit shit with one. The rifle moves back and forth really messing with my ability to use my optics. The more I look at this the more I see something staged. two or more men , used him, his room and then killed him and slipped out. I doubt we will learn the real truth about this attack.

 

Watch this - sure sounds like at least two shooters at different distances

 

Is the second set of fire an echo? or a second gunman further away? sounds like an echo. This does seem to sound like several different shooters at different locations. The car could have been closer to the shooter for the first round of shots. It does sound like either echos early on. Or possibly two shooters.

 

-sigh- Too many of us who have been on the receiving end of rifle fire know those noises and are trying really hard not to think about it.

 

I know what being shot at sounds like in dirt for sure. Not that. You hear the bullet hit before you hear the shot. Sounds like a crack then the shot. like crack boom very fast . Almost like the snapping of a board or two flat boards being smacked together. That is the sound of the bullet impacting followed by the sound which is slower than most rifle bullets. I wonder if we are hearing the impacts then the shots. At the very beginning of his video you here a pretty loud string of shots then an echo of that string. Sounds more like an echo to me then a second shooter. Im only talking about the opening couple seconds of the video. This guy was obviously driving around after that.

Im wondering if just the two different windows are giving us the illusion of more than one shooter. If the gun is pointed one way then another. Im no expert for sure. Using common sense is all.

 

Statistical explanation:
12 rifles, two shooting platforms, 6 rifles per platform.
Cyclic rate of bump stock approx 400 rounds per minute.
60 sec divided by 400 rounds = 0.15 per round
0.15 x 30 = 4.5 seconds
4.5 seconds x 6 = 27 seconds of continuous fire per platform.

6-30 round mags= 180 rounds
reported as 12 separate periods of fire: 12 x 180 = 2160
12 x 27 seconds = 5.4 minutes total continuous fire available from two platforms with 6 rifles each. Each of the 12 bump fire rifles would have had six 30 round mags run thru them total.

Going further, 1 out of every 4 shots hit someone. Overall rounds per fatality averages 37.25 which is higher than the 35:1 rate during Nam.

So it's clear that each time the shooter opened fire, he had 27 seconds of continuous fire available. Now you can add the echo's to those firing strings that would seem like an eternity to be under direct fire.

 

He had some larger magazines I believe (60 and 75), but it would have been quicker to change magazines than to change guns AND it would have saved him a lot of lugging stuff up to his room. Then again, if he didn't know what he was doing... . Whatever he was, pure evil comes to mind.

 

Having spent allot of time around "Pilot's", I can honestly state that as a generality they are checklist driven meticulous individuals.

I.E. having 12 rifles would have allowed the shooter 1.25 minutes of cool down between mag dumps for however long he & the equipment could maintain that rate of fire. For folks that spend a lifetime Pre-Flighting, Post-Flighting, and debating possible problems & best problem solutions, It is my opinion that every process & step of his planned evolution has an express step on a checklist of his design.

Not to be gruesome, but on the subject of mag size: We know that at least one bump fire rifle was a .308 Win. Statistically that means that 6, 30 round mags would be 6, 20 round mags on the firing line. Using the shooters 4:1 hit ratio that means that 120 rounds of .308 replaces 180 rounds of 5.56. With the Voodoo 2:1 ratio I have posted in the past, that means that 15 fatalities shall be attributed to the 7.62 bump rifle with 120 rounds expended. So that leaves 43 fatalities for 1980 5.56 rounds, statistically that would equate to over 46 5.56 Rounds per fatality against unarmed, undefended mass targets with the 5.56 at this range. Adding extra capacity only makes the statistics more gruesome. JMHO.

 

The slide-fire stocks are now selling on Gunbroker for 300/500 bucks, Interesting!

 

weren't they like 150 dollars before?

 

Yes, Around 100.00 here and no one was buying them, Now if you go to Gunbroker some are up to 1000.00
Crazy panic buying!

 

Well .. then it's time to buy the Echo Trigger.
Fostech Outdoors

 

I've heard those are a lot of fun!

 

I have a machine gun, am in the process of selling it. They don't bring as much to the table as most people think. If my prospective buyer backs out I might up the price if the panic goes beyond stock doohickeys.My guess is Oregon will outlaw them even though there has never been an abuse of a machine gun in the state.

I'd rather have the value in additional AR's and ammo. Actually will be using part of the sale for comms and other preps, the rest on precision bolties. I'd never bet my life on a gimmick like a bump fire.