WIKILEAKS ARE OUT (more to come)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Cruisin Sloth, Mar 7, 2017.


  1. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I don't know if Samsung can watch you watching it, but it makes little sense to watch you sitting on the couch and getting into cheering for the Pats or flipping the bone at CNBC. Listening may, at some point when programming gets enough advanced to flag "bad" talk, well maybe the alphabet agencies would be interested. And yes, the difference between a mic and a speaker is trivial with digital processing. (How to keep the listening and talking separated I don't know. Maybe there's a center channel speaker that isn't?) I am keeping an open mind, but it seems unlikely that a home TV would snitch on you. Now, if a spy could be placed in a conference room or a mafioso game room, it might make a LOT of sense for the alphabet boys and girls.

    My Samsung sets are not smart ---
     
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  2. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    I don't mind the agencies watching bad guys, but the problem is that we are on a trend to define patriots and Constitutionalists as bad guys and domestic terrorists. Smart devices, whether TV's, phones, or those soup can shaped things Amazon is selling can all be hacked to spy on us, and the spies aren't likely to be even human, but automated systems monitoring for keywords.

    That technology is already in use at call center operations where a keyword from a caller or agent will immediately notify a supervisor who can barge in and listen without either party knowing it. It's a small leap to apply that to the Internet devices silently looking and listening in our homes, cars, and on our persons.

    Smartphone monitoring apps are widely available to monitor your kids and spouses and some are virtually impossible to detect and remove. Tell me these things can't be delivered and installed via a "free" app without your knowing it.
     
  3. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Too bad we can't turn the tables and bug them.
     
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  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    My Samsung 3D Smart Tv does NOT have the capability to "Watch", but does have the capability to Listen.... similar to Siri, and Lexa.... IF, and ONLY IF, that feature is Activated.... What the WikiLeaks disclosure says is that the CIA built a tool, that allowed them to get into the SmartTv via it's Network Connection, and ACTIVATE that feature, remotely.... This has been known for at least a year, here on the Monkey.... There is a Thread, somewhere, that talked about this a year ago or so, and we discussed ways to keep these kinds of things from being activated.... In my case, I have a SET of Rules in my Main Router, that locks down ALL Incoming requests from the Internet Connection, to ONLY those that I specifically Allow. I also have a SET of Rules that limit Outgoing Packets from Specific Devices on my Network, and send unKnown Packets to the Bit Bucket.... I also Isolate the SmartTV, and ALL the Home Entertainment Internet connected devices, to a Separate Subnet, via an secondary Router, with another specific SET of Rules for these devices....
     
  5. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I find it very interesting that the liberals rushed out and bought the book 1984 right after Trump was elected President. Now with this wikileaks release of Vault 7, the Democrats are not as outraged as they should be. They must not have connected the dots or comprehended what they read in 1984

    C6Y_sT9UwAEitUe.
     
  6. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Even in darkness...
     
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  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    I think infra red sensing "night vision" technology was not in general use at the time 1984 was written....in 1949, being confined mainly to military applications at that time.

    upload_2017-3-9_7-26-51.
    The German 1945 pattern active infrared Zielgerät ZG 1229 Vampir displayed by a British soldier
    Via:Night vision - Wikipedia
     
  8. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I think all need to listen to @BTPost "I have a SET of Rules in my Main Router, that locks down ALL Incoming requests from the Internet Connection, to ONLY those that I specifically Allow" because this is the only way I can see to lock down/out your Smart TV since most are internet capable. I have not looked (but I will) but most IP addressable devices have a default address but even if you changed that address a simple brute force routine could and would figure that address out quickly. So...it is not enough to 'not' configure your Smart TV. You have to ensure it cannot be reach via your wifi network. I am not sure you can even turn your wifi off on the television and/or that would make a difference, need to think that one through a bit. Think I will look at mine now...
    EDIT: @BTPost Thinking more about this...You know if they attack you it probably will be under the guise of something you think is totally benign...might need to reconsider this. I need to talk to my network guru buddy. He has a CCIE and a bag full of add-ons.

    @ghrit
    "How to keep the listening and talking separated I don't know. Maybe there's a center channel speaker that isn't?"
    I have been thinking about this all morning also and I would doubt that the TV can listen to you while it is turned on to a TV channel or DVD or etc. unless, as you pointed out, there are separate controlled speakers which one could then be turned into the microphone but I have a top of the line super-duper Samsung 65 inch and I know mine doesn't. This really is quite ingenious isn't it! I bet the Spooks are having a hissy fit right now! It's sad also because if they had our trust then this would have been a great tool.

    "I don't know if Samsung can watch you watching it..."
    Doubtful unless these TVs have video cameras built-in then it would be scary easy as you well know...

    Anyway, my 2 cents is :
    1) Yes, a Smart TV could listen in on you and send that data via the internet
    Everything is there that they require: speaker turned into a microphone, A/D conversion, internet capability and the system is digitally based so controlled by software - meaning - it has or is a small computer.
    2) No, it cannot watch you...unless it has a built-in camera then it is easy-peasy, same as mobile phone.
    3) Ensure your router is setup to block incoming requests except the ones you allow
     
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  9. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Your TV isn't the primary problem, though your network should be as secure as you can make it. Manually assign internal IP addresses in a 10 network and only allow those devices on your network for a start. Turn off DHCP services if you can as well. Traffic rules such as @BTPost mentions are also necessary - can your router support this?

    Don't forget that electrical tape is great for cameras when not in use.

    Your smart phone is the easiest thing for them to exploit along with snooping email and social media.
     
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  10. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I just went through my new 65" Samsung whoopdee-do television and you cannot turn off the WiFi. All you can do 'not' give it the wifi password but I don't see anyway to actually turn it off.

    @3M-TA3 Why a 10 network? Seems it wouldn't matter? Yeah, my router is good, firewall good and I do not allow DHCP, actually allow no devices on the network except 2 computers and wife's mobile which I manually configure and assign addresses. I would never access my email using a mobile phone...no, no, no... Actually, I do not access the internet with my phone. I keep everything turned off (Bluetooth, wifi, mobile data) figuring the reason I have a phone is so people can call me. But, why a 10 net? I'm tracking with you on the rest but you got me there.
     
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  11. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    10 networks are "illegal" and you can subnet them more than a million different ways. The standard 192.168 network is a known and therefore low hanging fruit to someone attempting to navigate your LAN.
     
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  12. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    For local WiFi, I use local APs configured on my LAN, and each one uses it's own Subnet, and they sit on my Base LAN, as Static IP locations... All use Enterprise WEP Encryption... So getting to the Samsung 3D Tv via WiFi would require going thru the Main Router, and it's Rules, and then thru the APs Router, and it's Rules, and finally trying. To get the Samsung to connect, without DCHP, anywhere... and not knowing the WEP Enterprise Password, which is very strong... All this ASSUMES, that an Attacker, can break into the Routers Rule Set, and change them, Remotely...

    I review the Main Routers Log, daily, to see who, and from where, I am getting hit.... Since I tighten up my Network, a year ago, my Off network Hits have dropped by 80%, and now it is the Indians, and Chinese, mostly, with the occasional Russian blast for a few hours, then nothing from them for weeks... Had. Few from North Korea, a month ago, but they went away fairly fast... These folks are looking for "Lovw Hanging Fruit" if they can find it....
     
  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Everybody is being watched and listened to --EVERYBODY.

     
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  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    For sure, everybody CAN be watched. Whether or not any given body is being scrutinized at any given time is the question.
     
  15. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    I don't think we are too far away from having automation monitor everybody 100% of the time while building dossiers on each of us and then alert authorities when certain conditions are met. Lack of observed activity will be as damning as actual activity.
     
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  16. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    I have a new routine. Rather than just placing a piece of duct tape over the camera on my laptop and leaving it here, I now remove it once a day, moon my laptop for a few seconds, then put it back on.
     
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  17. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Nobody is actually being actively watched by other people at all times. However, everybody and everything is being recorded. Total surveillance state. Privatize Fusion Centers. The CIA umbrella corporation facilities all shiny and new. AI. John Connor, man.

    I think Corbett goes over this with evidence in the video I linked, which is why I posted it. The show notes and extended videos are linked in that video.
     
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  18. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

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  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Fun Fact: When you have random conversations with people you know and fill in the gaps with something like, "You know, I tried Allah the subs at Subway, and the Smokey bacon is the Bomb" --don't be surprised if you set off a few bells and whistles.

    [shtf]
     
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