What Happened to the Gold Watch?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Seacowboys, Aug 19, 2015.


  1. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I was passionate to be working for the owner and loved what I was doing.
    I was given the room to succeed and to fail and to make decisions on my own.

    We had one golden rule before mgmt. change.

    If it's good for the customer, good for the company and good for you then you probably don't need to ask permission.

    Damn I miss those days.
     
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  2. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Sounds a lot like our company. Not saying there haven't been a few bumps along the road and days when tearing my hair out would not be as painful as the stress of the day or a co-worker but in general we respect one another and realize we each bring something unique to the table. We do a lot of "thinking out loud" which takes a while for new comers to get used to but once they do, they realize thet no one's feet are going to be held to the fire until the "decision is made" Mike and I have different management styles. He's the consensus builder, wanting everyone to agree with his perspective. . I tend to be a little more direct. I need "X" done, this is why I need it done and this is how I will use the information you bring me. If you understand the subject, the dilemma, you can argue with me for not longer than 5 minutes then just bring me back the answer I need. How you arrive at the answer is less important than that it is correct and on time. I have always told my employees that they will own their success and I will own their failure.
     
  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I neglected viewing this thread because of the title and assumed that the Gold Watch referred to this:
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    I have more to say on the actual topic but will come back to it tomorrow.
     
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I spent years working for an international marine salvage company, living out of a suitcase on ships, planes, and in places where I didn't speak the language or like the food. I was instrumental in taking the company from near bankruptcy to one of the largest salvage companies in the world. I had thought I would retire there in a few more years, but corporate policy proved stronger than company loyalty and I left with a big severance check and a lot of bad feelings. I still work with them on occasion, because monsy is much stronger than loyalty, but I do not devote any attention to lining their pockets, just my own. Their loss, not so much mine.
     
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  5. ditch witch

    ditch witch I do stupid crap, so you don't have to

    The Mr.'s company was wonderful when the original owners had it. They came in and knew everyone by name, knew their families, birthdays, provided awesome benefits, bonuses, and regular raises. And the company was making phat stacks. Everyone was making money, top to bottom. Unfortunately they weren't young men when they started it and things like cancer have a way of making you change your focus. They retired and sold it to a company out of NY whose only interest was flipping it. Benefits and half the labor force was cut to make the bottom line look good before selling it to an overseas company. Things got a little better but the previous labor cuts meant the division wasn't able to keep up with demand, and smaller companies moved in to bleed off unhappy customers. With nearly a quarter of their customer base gone, more layoffs came down the pipe, which of course resulted in even worse production but hey, at least the fat cats at the top still got their 7 figure bonuses right? Now with profits in the toilet and more customers leaving every day, rumor has it the Brits are putting out feelers to sell the division to a US based corp with a history of moving manufacturing overseas.

    He used to have a lot of company loyalty. Not now. Now he and the last few workers who were there when the company began are quietly looking for new jobs. They've been forced to pull not only their jobs but a dozen others, with no raises in nearly 4 years now, and the other day he was told to write up how-to manuals for all the machines in the shop. They said it was for OSHA. I say it's writing on the wall.
     
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  6. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Sure does look like writing on the wall. Sorry for the changes that have taken place. Its sad when the only reason you go to work in the morning is to get that paycheck. Its a motivation killer but don't let him be so discouraged that he thinks all companies are like that. find a comfortable small business that believes in its products and its employees. The money may not be quite as good to start but the value of really wanting to go to work in the morning can't be overestimated
     
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  7. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Bingo! There is a very big difference. I worked for a big company once and discovered I was a number not a person. Getting recognized for your value is hard because the company is too huge and stockholders don’t care, workers are just bodies. When companies get big the real backbone- the ones that know the place inside and out are overlooked. I have spent the majority of my working years with small companies. Most people will never get rich working for a small company but they will become a part of something. My old boss who I haven’t worked for in almost ten years can still name my kids, knows their ages and remembers all because he was a good leader/boss.

    Almost every post in this thread the writer stated loyalty was given but somewhere that loyalty was abused and not valued. Good leadership is key to growth and survival. Good management is the structure that helps hold things together and it filters down. The framework in a family, group or company must be strong and willing to acknowledge weaknesses. If everyone is not valued then there is a weakness in the structure, thus companies fail and companies lose key people.
     
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  8. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I'm being head hunted by a much larger company, right now. Roughly the same pay and benefits. Very little incentive to move, except when my boss ticks me off. Problem is, I would be a much smaller cog in the machine. Even less input into how things are done.
    As it is, THEY call me, when they run into a problem. I think I would get every hard job, they got if I did move over. Why bother measuring, if I can make it work anyways?
    I've been with this company, for maybe 18 years. I'll remain here, until the boss either ticks me off too much, or I get an offer I just can't pass up.
     
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  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I now work for a little mom and pop marine construction and diving company. They literally cannot afford such small amenities as paid holidays, retirement accounts, profit sharing, company paid health benefits, nothing but the time you actually work is paid for and that is on a day rate, no over-time, even on those days that take you off-shore for weeks or on the job-site for 12 or more hours a day all week, including weekends. I get paid additional monies for active dive operations, so it is to my advantage to keep us busy. My employee turn-over is painfully regular and nobody has any real initiative to produce beyond the immediate task.Most of my divers are right out of dive school, as our pay rates will not afford quality performers. Our equipment is old and sub-standard.I like the people that own the company, but have lost all desire to do more than maintain the status-quo. My salary marginally meets my requirements unless I decide to take a vacation or holiday off, then it is another matter entirely. Why do I stay here? My office is a mile from my house and I pretty much write my own schedule. I am at home almost every night. It's a paycheck that I don't have to invest too much of myself into. I am fortunate enough to have income from other areas as a salvage consultant and musician, so I really don't need to push as long as I am aware that if I don't keep my folks busy, then we don't have a job.
     
  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I was born po'
    Naked and afraid
    I intend too die po'
    Naked and afraid of the government.
    A simply plan for simple guy.
     
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  11. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey+++

    What changed? IMHO, major company owners got more and more and more greedy and found out they could get away with it. All that counts now is the bottom line. How much does the company make.....so the CEOs can have multimillion $ salaries while the workers almost starve.
     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I look at it both that way and from a different POV as well. When you get to corporations as owners versus privately owned operations, you have to consider that the "greedy" executives answer to the shareholders. To carry out their fiduciary duty to the shareholders (meaning to NOT lose company worth and make enough money to pay dividends), they have to maintain a competitive edge which often means cutting costs. It's unfortunate, but that means doing more with less (or innovating) as well as remaining flexible enough to respond to rapidly fluctuating work loads. It is extremely counterproductive to starve the workers, you lose the good ones that way. The good ones are a required cadre of those that can carry the company in lean times and lead the new or temps in fat times. Gotta have 'em.

    So far as those multi-million dollar salaries are concerned, bear in mind that the old supply and demand governs that to a degree. Those CEOs that are pulling down that level of money are those that either have proven their ability to make money for the shareholders, or have the promise of doing so, and shown the board of directors the promise of it. If they happen to blow it and lose money, they are quickly gone. Most BoD do not like begging shareholders for patience until things turn around. Shareholders (the likes of you and me that happen to hold stock, either directly or via 401K and IRAs) will simply sell and find another way to make money (or lose it at a slower rate.)
     
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  13. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    I chalk it up to a move from a family business with a strong interest of maintaining relationships to a corporate structure that is interest n pandering to stockholders and the bottom line
     
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  14. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    Righthand no offense but I don't agree with this. ...it might have been true at one time that proven ceo's were in short supply. What I find now is that they all play on the golf course together and hire each other and right themselves big golden Para chutes that have to be paid whether they deliver or not. As an example just look at the banksters who virtually bankrupted this country we bailed them out and they got big bonuses. .. those guys didn't deliver and many of them just transfered overseas and went to work for a different bank. Their loyalty was to themselves and they negotiated great contracts that weren't based on performance
     
  15. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I know more criminals that I can trust
    and no lawyers that I can trust.
     
  16. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    That was ghrit's comment but I do agree with him. Maybe we see it that way because we've been around the block a time or two and have seen things from the top down as well a the bottom up
     
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  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Yep, that is pretty accurate. Twice around the barn, and you get to see things from both sides, as I pointed out above. The fundamental question is which you want to follow, capitalism or socialism? Or some kind of semi regulated mixture of both? Or what alternative?

    Trying to put all in the same economic layer is doomed to failure, no matter if all are billionaires or paupers. There has to be a spectrum, and one WILL form of its own volition. There is likewise no law of nature that says the spectrum can't have a gap in the middle which seems to have a lot of folks with their knickers bunched up.
     
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  18. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I graduated from the same High School as my father, we had the same principal and many of the same teachers. There were 320 students from kindergarten through the 12th grade. I worked as an apprentice in the same sheet metal shop where my father began his career and had the same management and workers that were there when he worked with them. I left that job to volunteer for service in a little country over in SE Asia where a lot of my friends were dying but that didn't work out so good for me, so I went to work for the Rail Road. That job still had a tight-knit community, you're in it for life, feel. I watch government regulations and racial hiring quotas and set-asides slowly change that into a mill. I spent the rest of my life chasing ship salvage all over the world, many times in war zones because ships just generally do not sink by themselves. We were a tight workforce, a family of men that would do whatever it took to save lives, cargo, vessels...I felt special. Then I watched regulation, big business, whatever it was, just turn it into something that irrevocably became a mill. I didn't get my gold watch.
     
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  19. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I think we are discussing two different things.

    Small companies where the owner is involved is a very different kind of company than a big multi-national conglomerate.

    In the big conglomerates the management hire each other. In smaller companies you can have trouble finding people who are good managers. But a multinational conglomerate is not the same as a small business.

    In a small business, the owner typically gives a shit about their employees and usually attempts to keep business coming in the door. In MNC the management team isn't concerned with people or even investors. They are concerned with themselves and their personal contracts and who can get them their next contract that pays whether they produce or not.
     
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  20. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I guess what this thread had proved beyond much doubt is that the culture of business has been irrevocably altered. I think Sea hit the nail on the head with his observation about government regulation. Although I hadn't made the connection, I can see it even in our little company. Before we had to conform it ITAR, ISO, DOL expectations, etc, we could be much more casual and personal in our dealings with employees, customers and vendors. Now, everything has to be documented and a written procedure must be followed to the letter, every step of the way.

    Moving forward, I doubt if we will see a return to the loyalty that opened this thread. Even if businesses exist with that "family" feel, the younger workers will have no role models to use as a standard or expectation.
     
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