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Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Yard Dart, Jul 29, 2015.

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Are you ready for a solar storm to hit us?

I am ready for a massive solar storm... no worries.

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I have more work to do but I am in good shape for the most part.

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Can we toast marshmallows in this storm?

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Not ready by a long shot.......

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Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

It sounds like a scene from a disaster movie – mass power failures, plane crashes, satellite disruptions, and train derailments. These are some of the threats modern society would face in the case of a massive solar storm, according to a new document released by the U.K. Department of Business, Innovation and Skills.

The “Space Weather Preparedness Strategy” outlines the disturbances that could be caused by unpredictable solar weather. The most striking find from the report is the fact that a country would have only a 12-hour warning period before the storm would hit the planet.

The worst possible scenario would be a coronal mass ejection of plasma from the sun, during which the corona – that bright glow seen encircling the sun during a total solar eclipse – detaches, shooting off X-rays and high-energy particles directly to the Earth.

The report cites the “1859 Carrington Event,” which was a powerful coronal mass ejection. While there is only a 1 percent probability of the Carrington Event reoccurring in any given year, modern society would be woefully underprepared to handle such a storm, according to the report. The U.K. department warns that it is difficult to forecast these events accurately. The short 12-hour warning time would leave major urban areas ill-prepared, and there is currently a “lack of capability to monitor the effects of severe events once they start.”

To prepare for this kind of storm, countries need to set plans in place to respond quickly, design safeguards in power and communications infrastructure, and send out clear alerts and warnings to the public, the report suggests.

“The main challenge we face is that awareness of the risk is low,” reads the report. “Much more needs to be done to encourage potentially vulnerable sectors to adopt measures to mitigate the likely impacts.”
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UK gov't: Earth will only have 12-hour warning to deal with massive Sun explosion | Fox News

Link to the Report:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...5-457-space-weather-preparedness-strategy.pdf

What kind of prep's are you planning or doing to prepare, for another Carrington type event?

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Yard Dart, Jul 29, 2015

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Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

It's a good thing (for now) the sun has gone quiet. Still, anything can happen, we are due for a big one.

I chose "marshmallows" because it was a good thought to have.

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Brokor, Jul 29, 2015

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No Long Wires around here.... Let Her Rip......

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BTPost, Jul 29, 2015

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kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

Two generators in a metal shed, isolated by wood floor and shed is grounded.
All the household electronics would be toast if hard wired to chargers, but the IDEN phones are in the safe, and the ham radio Is in the truck. They should survive.
(12 hrs notice would be plenty of time, to place All electronics inside steel wrappers.

“Man’s mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action. He cannot obtain his food without a knowledge of food and of the way to obtain it. He cannot dig a ditch-or build a cyclotron-without a knowledge of his aim and of the means to achieve it. To remain alive, he must think." John Galt (Ayn Rand)

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kellory, Jul 29, 2015

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ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

12 hours is pessimistic. CMEs usually take on the order of days to get here. IIRC they say the Carrington event was a quicky, took over 17 hours.

Remote locations are cheap insurance.

ghrit, Jul 29, 2015

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kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

I could place everything in the shed and safe, seal all seams with metalized tape, AND take a nap, in that time. The key is the alert time.

“Man’s mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action. He cannot obtain his food without a knowledge of food and of the way to obtain it. He cannot dig a ditch-or build a cyclotron-without a knowledge of his aim and of the means to achieve it. To remain alive, he must think." John Galt (Ayn Rand)

Patents are not evil, profit is not a dirty word, providing for your family's future is not a sin, and what is mine is not your's just because you want it. Kellory.
I have received NO secret government orders.(Watch for this notice to be removed)

kellory, Jul 29, 2015

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3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

12 hours is enough time to attach long wires to everybody I hate - "C'mon, man, it'll save your life by discharging the energy. I saw it on "Entertainment Tonight" and it was on FaceBook...".

Korg groking Grok

"An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject." - Anonymous

3M-TA3, Jul 29, 2015

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oldawg Monkey+++

Well..............um.................I got sunscreen and colbeer.

oldawg, Jul 29, 2015

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kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

3M-TA3 said: ↑

12 hours is enough time to attach long wires to everybody I hate - "C'mon, man, it'll save your life by discharging the energy. I saw it on "Entertainment Tonight" and it was on FaceBook...".
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Hmmmm....could we pre-wire Congress?

“Man’s mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action. He cannot obtain his food without a knowledge of food and of the way to obtain it. He cannot dig a ditch-or build a cyclotron-without a knowledge of his aim and of the means to achieve it. To remain alive, he must think." John Galt (Ayn Rand)

Patents are not evil, profit is not a dirty word, providing for your family's future is not a sin, and what is mine is not your's just because you want it. Kellory.
I have received NO secret government orders.(Watch for this notice to be removed)

kellory, Jul 29, 2015

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I'm pretty sure I'm going to toast marshmallows.

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VisuTrac, Jul 29, 2015

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NotSoSneaky former supporter

Where there's marshmallo's, there's S'mores

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NotSoSneaky, Jul 29, 2015

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All you have to do to defeat the Carrington Effect is disconnect your stuff from the Grid with a 4 Wire Disconnect.... (Two Hots, Neutral, and Ground) and then run your stuff from your local Genset, that has it's own Independent Ground Rod (Separately Derived Source) and One and ONLY One Neutral/Ground Bond Point.... Where things get sticky, is when LONG Wires, (and I mean Multiple Tens/Hundreds of MILES, LONG) have an Interplay with the Electromagnetic Fields, generated by the CME Particles interacting with the Earths Magnetic Field. (Aurora at Ground Level) That takes an Extraordinary Intensive Aurora, to push those Fields down to Ground Level. Anything less that 1000Ft hanging in the Air, or ANYTHING Buried, isn't going to do squat....

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BTPost, Jul 29, 2015

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wnn Guest

I been lookin @ this as a possibility for yrs & i have a few gen sets secured & i run an '84 truck & keep spare modules behind the seat in a halfass fareday cage.(ghbox)& home. I just havent got my optics secured.

wnn, Jul 29, 2015

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Motomom34 Monkey+++

The article says we would have 12 hours warning or maybe more but would we really? Unless you watch space weather and are on alternative sites, the MSM doesn't give you a heads up until it is almost here. I can see officials keeping this news quiet in order to avoid panic. Some people would and this could cause chaos.

Here is an article that expanded on the article @Yard Dart linked. They went on to say-

The report also warns that Britain's supergrid transformers have been damaged in the past and could be vulnerable to a major space weather event.It said voltage instability could also lead to local blackouts that could last several hours.This would mean householders should ensure they have candles and emergency lighting to cope for that amount of time.It recommends preparing for a solar storm in much the same way as other natural disasters such as flooding or major storms.

The report warned far greater impacts will be felt due to the loss of signal from GPS satellites caused by a solar storm, which could last for around three days.It said oil drilling relies heavily on GPS for accuracy and could result in a fall in oil production for the days after the storm. This could lead to short term impacts on fuel for motorists.Drivers should also carry maps to help them navigate while the GPS network is down.

However mobile phone networks and landline services are unlikely to be affected, meaning these can still be used.

The Met Office now provides forecasts for space weather to help the public and industry prepare for solar storms that may pose a risk to infrastructure, as outlined in the graphic shown above

High frequency communication networks used by aircraft and shipping would go down for several days, which together with the loss of GPS could mean shipping is suspended.Trains also rely upon GPS systems and so may not be able to run for up to three days after the storm hits.The report said: 'Global Positioning System satellites are hardened to the effects of space weather so are protected against the direct impacts.

'However, the connection with the satellites might be lost for up to three days. The impact of its loss – or the effectiveness of mitigation - is not yet fully understood.' The report also says that a solar storm would also increase the exposure of airline passengers to radiation, but says the risk to health would be 'minimal'.

Read more: Are YOU prepared for a solar storm? World will get 12 hours warning if sun erupts | Daily Mail Online
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I found it interesting that they said GPS would be knocked out causing shipping and trains to be unable to operate. The article seemed to be trying to convince people that if it happened it would only last for three days. I do question their statement that both mobile and landline phones most likely wouldn't be affected.

** just in case, I have decided to put away some marshmallows.

Because Nice Matters

Motomom34, Jul 29, 2015

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Why does a train need GPS? Wut other options are there on a track?

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Ganado, Jul 29, 2015

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Ganado said: ↑

Why does a train need GPS? Wut other options are there on a track?
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I questioned that also. And ships should have a navigation map also but maybe they have totally go paperless. I was at a hospital the other week and their computers went down- they couldn't tell you anything because nothing is written and on paper anymore.

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Motomom34, Jul 29, 2015

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Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

A paperless society can be in ruin when/if we had a massive event. Trains are tracked by GPS from the NOC in Chicago if I recall correct. Kill the GPS and comms and rail, shipping and air travel are dead...as well as stupid lost drivers

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Yard Dart, Jul 29, 2015

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Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

They would make it 12 hours because the elites would need time to get to the underground cities before alerting the bottom feeders.

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Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

Reality is, if you are here on the Monkey......the fire alarm will get rang as quick as we see the alerts.....
If you watch the MSM only, you will find out about the same time as everyone else and be trapped in the log jam of people freaking out. They will be trying to run away....to where, who knows.......

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“The most important six inches on the battlefield is between your ears.” General 'Mad Dog' James Mattis
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Yard Dart, Jul 29, 2015

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Trains use onboard GPS for tracking and traffic control on the tracks.. Over the road trucks use GPS for tracking as well...

Ganado said: ↑

Why does a train need GPS? Wut other options are there on a track?
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A lion has risen from His Lair, A Destroyer of nations has set out,
Left his own place to Ruin your land,
To Demolish and Depopulate your cities.
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