The M/C Shop

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ghrit, Apr 14, 2007.


  1. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Well aware of the difference, and have no love for the idea of three wheels, but might think seriously about a Spyder. I can no longer pick my 600 lb scooter up when it goes down on the gravel hill I have to deal with to get anywhere. It's like ball bearings on glass on the level spots, and the majority is in excess of 10% slopes. (Not counting the heavy truck traffic serving the gas drillers that use up most of the width of the road.) I'd much prefer to stay on two wheels but to keep riding, three is the solution.
     
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  2. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    There is definite advantages to trikes. But I get tired of people, especially on the bike boards, who continually run them down and think they are only for the old, handicapped, or those too lazy to learn to ride. I have been riding bikes all my life. I bought the trike for the wife so she would ride with me. She is a trauma nurse and has seen too many results of bike vs car meetings. Plus you haven't seen the traffic in this part of the world! She feels safe enough on the trike to go with me on rides. It is safer and more comfortable on long rides. And it is a very different ride than a two wheeler. You have to learn to ride a trike just as much as you have to learn to ride a bike. The thing I don't like about it is all the gadgets. It is the first bike/trike I have had with a fairing, radio, GPS, intercom yada, yada, yada. That isn't riding for me. They even have hands free phone now for Christs sake!! I'm old school and I ride to escape from the world, not take it with me. I like the wind in my hair, bugs on my goggles, or in my teeth. I like the beginning of Easy Rider when Peter Fonda takes off his watch and tosses it in the dirt. That's freedom. No watch, no phone, no radio or intercom. When we get to the states I hope to teach the wife to ride the trike(she has never driven anything with a clutch). I may have to have the front end raked out some to make it easier for her to steer. A trike takes a lot more upper body strength than a bike does. She can take the boy with her on the Phoenix and I will follow on the Black Widow. [chopper]

    PS. We are looking at retiring in the Ashville N.C. area. Maybe we can make a run up to Penn and meet up for some riding sometime G-man. Would love that!
     
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  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

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  4. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Man that seems like a great deal HK I have no experience with it but like the looks of it.
     
  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Thanks Quigley,

    Yup it has the design I need, I just need to lay my hands on it to get the real feel.

    Design

    Total lift of the tires of bike off the lift base

    Removeable back plate

    Good height

    Ability to raise a garden tractor/mower with add ons

    Lead Sled Float

    Tie downs.

    Diamond Tread

    Etc, Etc, Etc
     
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  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    My service manager builds race bikes. He makes more money there then his real job.
    He has one of those lifts and uses it all the time (he has a bad back, and swears by it.) I have no idea on brand or cost, but the tool is very well used by him.
     
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    If you are going to do heavy maintenance, a lift is really not an option. The rest of the stuff is just handy as all get out. I've no experience that that particular machine, but I prefer hydraulic to air, less herky jerky.
     
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  8. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson Monkey+++

    Just saw this and figured I would check in. My current ride for now is a 87 Suzuki 600 Katana. For the time I am riding it naked (without the fairing) as I have it off for paint. Once the paint is done it will be moving on to a new owner as I'm not really a sport bike type of guy. I got it on a trade for another bike and figured I would ride a bit while I took care of the ultra ugly paint job the PO put on it with probably a spray can.

    Some of my projects include chopping and hard tailing a Yamaha XS650. This is my main project for the moment though it is on hold until I sell the Suzuki. Other longer term projects include a 1977 BMW R100RS, a 1969 Norton 750 Commando, a 1973 Harley Davidson -Aermacchi SS350, and a few others, of course as funds permit.
     
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  9. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Hero MotoCorp
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    Hero Motocorp Ltd
    [​IMG]
    "Hum Main Hai Hero"
    Type Public company
    Traded as BSE: 500182
    NSE
    : HEROMOTOCO
    BSE SENSEX Constituent

    Industry Automotive
    Predecessors Hero Honda Motors Ltd.
    Founded 19 January 1982
    Headquarters New Delhi, India
    Area served India, Sri Lanka
    Key people Dr. Brijmohan Lall Munjal (Chairman)
    Pawan Munjal (MD & CEO)[1]
    Products Motorcycles, Scooters
    Revenue [​IMG] [​IMG]241.66 billion (US$3.9 billion) (2013)[2]
    Operating income [​IMG] [​IMG]33.22 billion (US$540 million) (2013)[3]
    Net income [​IMG] [​IMG]21.18 billion (US$340 million) (2013)[2]
    Total assets [​IMG] [​IMG]53.08 billion (US$860 million) (2013)
    Employees 5,842[2]
    Parent Hero Group
    Subsidiaries Erik Buell Racing(49.2%)
    Website Hero MotoCorp New Two Wheelers , Motorcycles, Two Wheelers in India
    Hero Motocorp Ltd., formerly Hero Honda, is an Indian motorcycle and scooter manufacturer based in New Delhi, India. The company is the largest two wheeler manufacturer in the world.[2] In India, it has a market share of about 46% share in 2-wheeler category.[2][4] The 2006 Forbes 200 Most Respected companies list has Hero Honda Motors ranked at .[5] On 31 March 2013, the market capitalisation of the company was INR 308 billion (USD 5.66 billion).[6]
    Hero Honda
    started in 1984 as a joint venture between Hero Cycles of India and Honda of Japan.[7] In 2010, when Honda decided to move out of the joint venture, Hero Group bought the shares held by Honda.[8][9] Subsequently, in August 2011 the company was renamed Hero MotoCorp with a new corporate identity.[10]
    In June 2012, Hero Motocorp approved a proposal to merge the investment arm of its parent Hero Investment Pvt. Ltd. into the automaker. The decision comes after 18 months of its split from Honda Motors.[11]
    Contents
    [hide]
    • 1 History
      • 1.1 Termination of Honda joint venture
      • 1.2 Formation of Hero MotoCorp
      • 1.3 49% stake in Erik Buell Racing
    • 2 Operations
    • 3 Motorcycles
      • 3.1 Scooters
    • 4 Company performance
    • 5 Listings and shareholding
    • 6 Employees
    • 7 Awards and recognition
    • 8 Initiatives
    • 9 See also
    • 10 References
    • 11 External links
    History[edit]
    "Hero" is the brand name used by the Munjal brothers for their flagship company, Hero Cycles Ltd. A joint venture between the Hero Group and Honda Motor Company was established in 1984 as the Hero Honda Motors Limited at Dharuhera, India. Munjal family and Honda group both owned 26% stake in the Company.
    During the 1980s, the company introduced motorcycles that were popular in India for their fuel economy and low cost. A popular advertising campaign based on the slogan 'Fill it – Shut it – Forget it' that emphasised the motorcycle's fuel efficiency helped the company grow at a double-digit pace since inception. In 2001, the company became the largest two-wheeler manufacturing company in India and globally.[2] It maintains global industry leadership till date.[2] The technology in the bikes of Hero Motocorp (earlier Hero Honda) for almost 26 years (1984–2010) has come from the Japanese counterpart Honda.[12]
    • 1956—Formation of Hero Cycles in Ludhiana(majestic auto limited)
    • 1975—Hero Cycles becomes largest bicycle manufacturer in India.
    • 1983—Joint Collaboration Agreement with Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Japan signed Shareholders Agreement signed
    • 1984—Hero Honda Motors Ltd. incorporated
    • 1985—Hero Honda motorcycle CD 100 launched.
    • 1989—Hero Honda motorcycle Sleek launched.
    • 1991—Hero Honda motorcycle CD 100 SS launched.
    • 1994 – Hero Honda motorcycle Splendor launched.
    • 1997—Hero Honda motorcycle Street launched.
    • 1999 – Hero Honda motorcycle CBZ launched.
    • 2001 – Hero Honda motorcycle Passion and Hero Honda Joy launched.
    • 2002—Hero Honda motorcycle Dawn and Hero Honda motorcycle Ambition launched.
    • 2003—Hero Honda motorcycle CD Dawn, Hero Honda motorcycle Splendor plus, Hero Honda motorcycle Passion Plus and Hero Honda motorcycle Karizma launched.
    • 2004—Hero Honda motorcycle Ambition 135 and Hero Honda motorcycle CBZ Star launched.
    • 2005—Hero Motocorp SuperSplendor, Hero Honda motorcycle CD Deluxe, Hero Honda motorcycle Glamour, Hero Honda motorcycle Achiever and Hero Honda Scooter Pleasure.
    • 2007—New Models of Hero Honda motorcycle Splendor NXG, New Models of Hero Honda motorcycle CD Deluxe, New Models of Hero Honda motorcycle Passion Plus and Hero Honda motorcycle Hunk launched.
    • 2008—New Models of Hero Honda motorcycles Pleasure, CBZ Xtreme, Glamour, Glamour Fi and Hero Honda motorcycle Passion Pro launched.
    • 2009—New Models of Hero Honda motorcycle Karizma:Karizma – ZMR and limited edition of Hero Honda motorcycle Hunk launched
    • 2010—New Models of Hero Honda motorcycle Splendor Pro and New Hero Honda motorcycle Hunk and New Hero Honda Motorcycle Super Splendor launched.
    • 2011—New Models of Hero Honda motorcycles Glamour, Glamour FI, CBZ Xtreme, Karizma launched. New licensing arrangement signed between Hero and Honda. In August Hero and Honda parted company, thus forming Hero MotoCorp and Honda moving out of the Hero Honda joint venture. In November, Hero launched its first ever Off Road Bike Named Hero "Impulse".
    • 2012-New Models of Hero Motocorp Maestro the Musculine scooter and Ignitor the young generation bike are launched.
    • 2013-Hero MotoCorp unveiled line-up of 15 updated products including Karizma R, ZMR, Xtreme, Pleasure, Splendor Pro, Splendor iSmart, HF Deluxe ECO, Hero Motocorp SuperSplendor, Passion Pro and Xpro, Glamour and Glamour FI etc. It also introduced three new technologies- Engine Immobilizer in new Xtreme, Integrated Braking System (IBS) in new Pleasure and i3S (Idle Stop and Start System) in new Splendor iSmart[13]
    • 2014-Hero MotoCorp Launched Splendor Pro Classic
    Termination of Honda joint venture[edit]
    In December 2010, the board of directors of the Hero Honda Group had decided to terminate the joint venture between Hero Group of India and Honda of Japan in a phased manner. The Hero Group would buy out the 26% stake of the Honda in JV Hero Honda.[14]
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    Logo of Hero Honda, as the company was known till August 2011
    Under the joint venture Hero Group could not export to international markets (except Sri Lanka and Nepal) and the termination would mean that Hero Group can now export. Since the beginning, the Hero Group relied on their Japanese partner Honda for the technology in their bikes. So there are concerns that the Hero Group might not be able to sustain the performance of the joint venture alone.[15]
    The Japanese auto major will exit the joint venture through a series of offmarket transactions by giving the Munjal family—that held a 26% stake in the company—an additional 26%. Honda, which also has an independent fully owned twowheeler subsidiary—Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India (HMSI)—will exit Hero Honda at a discount and get over $1 billion for its stake. The discount will be between 30% and 50% to the current value of Honda's stake as per the price of the stock after the market closed on Wednesday.[16]
    The rising differences between the two partners gradually emerged as an irritant. Differences had been brewing for a few years before the split over a variety of issues, ranging from Honda's reluctance to fully and freely share technology with Hero (despite a 10-year technology tie-up that expires in 2014) as well as Indian partner's uneasiness over high royalty payouts to the Japanese company. Another major irritant for Honda was the refusal of Hero Honda (mainly managed by the Munjal family) to merge the company's spare parts business with Honda's new fully owned subsidiary Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India (HMSI).[16]
    As per the arrangement, it will be a two-leg deal. In the first part, the Munjal family, led by Brijmohan Lal Munjal group, will form an overseas-incorporated special purpose vehicle (SPV) to buy out Honda's entire stake, which will be backed by bridge loans. This SPV would eventually be thrown open for private equity participation and those in the fray include Warburg Pincus, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts (KKR), TPG, Bain Capital, and Carlyle Group.[17]
    Honda will continue to provide technology to Hero Honda motorbikes until 2014 for existing as well as future models.[18]
    Formation of Hero MotoCorp[edit]
    The name of the company was changed from Hero Honda Motors Limited to Hero MotoCorp Limited on 29 July 2011.[2] The new brand identity and logo of Hero MotoCorp were developed by the British firm Wolff Olins.[19] The logo was revealed on 9 August 2011 in London, to coincide with the third test match between England and India.[19]
    Hero MotoCorp can now export to Latin America, Africa and West Asia.[19] Hero is free to use any vendor for its components instead of just Honda-approved vendors.[19]
    On 21 April 2014, Hero MotoCorp announced their plan on a $ 40 Mn joint venture with Bangladesh's Notiol Niloy Group in the next five years.[20]
    49% stake in Erik Buell Racing[edit]
    In July 2013, HMC acquired 49.2%[21] shareholding in Erik Buell Racing, a motorcycle sport company which produces street and racing motorcycles based in East Troy, Wisconsin, USA.
    Operations[edit]
    Hero MotoCorp has three manufacturing facilities based at Dharuhera and Gurgaon in Haryana and at Haridwar in Uttarakhand. These plants together have a production capacity of 6.9 million 2-wheelers per year.[2][22] Hero MotoCorp has a sales and service network with over 3,000 dealerships and service points across India. It has a customer loyalty program since 2000, called the Hero Honda Passport Program.[23]
    It is reported that Hero MotoCorp has five joint ventures or associate companies, Munjal Showa, AG Industries, Sunbeam Auto, Rockman Industries and Satyam Auto Components, that supply a majority of its components.[24]
    The company has a stated aim of achieving revenues of $10 billion and volumes of 10 million two-wheelers by 2016–17. This in conjunction with new countries where they can now market their two-wheelers following the disengagement from Honda. Hero MotoCorp hopes to achieve 10 per cent of their revenues from international markets, and they expected to launch sales in Nigeria by end-2011 or early-2012. In addition, to cope with the new demand over the coming half decade, the company is coming up with their fourth factory in Neemrana in Rajasthan while their fifth factory is planned to be set up at Halol in Gujarat.
     
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  10. D2wing

    D2wing Monkey+

    Homer, chopping an XS650? Gotta say I like those bikes. I would not chop one but it's your bike. I am interested in what you are doing with the Norton. I am an old Norton guy from the sixties. I had a 750 Atlas.. My dad sold it when I was Vietnam. He knew how fast that thing was, it was heavily modded. I have been a biker for 50 years my first was a Ducati Diana MK lll. Race bike. Next was the Norton. I lost count of how many bikes I had. Take care.
     
  11. D2wing

    D2wing Monkey+

    Interesting about Hero. I vary curious about what wil happen with Buell. I couple years ago I had a Ulysses. I miss it. If you left it running it would go for a walk from the vibration. Gotta love that.
     
  12. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson Monkey+++

    I too love the XS650. I think it is one of the last "simple" Japanese bikes. I have wanted to chop one for a long time. I got in to the XS back when they were just another disposable jap bike in the 80's. I remember buying several running ones for less then $100 each. I think the most I ever spent on one was $350 or so. Now they are "hip" and have become collectable. I doubt I will use many original parts, the frame is the only thing that will be destroyed by modification.

    As for the Norton, I inherited that project from my Dad when he passed. It is sitting in dry secure storage for now, awaiting its turn to be worked on. I want to do a full mechanical resto to it, leaving the patina from the 70's as much as possible. Is far as I can tell the bike has all original paint in fairly good condition. I seriously doubt the Norton would leave the family during my lifetime, though I have learned to never say never.

    Take care, stay in the wind.
     
  13. D2wing

    D2wing Monkey+

    I would be interested in an Atlas but they have disappeared. I like the old Triumphs, when I had the Norton my buddy had a great looking 650 Scrambler. I few years back I used to ride old English bikes for a guy that had a vintage shop. He had health issues and like to get the bikes warmed up etc once in awhile. I learned on the the right shift left brake bikes. They were that way for oval track racing. Anyway I was going to buy a rare trident from him. But on a test ride I forgot and hit the shifter instead of the brake at a stop sign. When right through it. I have had some bad accidents so I decided that I would only buy one that had modern left shift right brake. I can't get too excited about Modern Triumphs. Not light and quick like the old ones. I ride a 1200 Sporty now, and own a ZX12R for racing with my son. The ZX has 195 HP at the wheel 225 at the crank.
     
  14. wnn

    wnn Guest

    Gotta love the old trumpets. Used to have a last yr of meridian factory 72 tiger 650 (2008) , brakes sucked. amal carb was finicky as hell. I miss her now& my old kawy triple. . Anyone goin to trailerqueen week in march ? (Daytona).
     
  15. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    The Indian Scout saga continues. The problem has been in the weldment of the filler cap assemble to the fuel tank. Pressure testing was done in an out of sequence, to me, manner. The tins were painted at another location and then the pressure testing was completed, it now seems that the paint disguised some holes but this also allowed a cavity for fuel to collect at the bad spot. Later these bad spots became paint bubbles that lifted. No telling how many tanks had this problem but the dead line for the 5 warranty year start point has now been pushed back to April 2015.

    I expect to take delivery in late March. So far Polaris has provided snippets of information and goodies to keep the tribe at bay. A free T shirt and a $200 coupon for accessories which I cashed into a new Indian Jacket.

    So the hunt for the elusive Indian Scout continues.
     
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  16. D2wing

    D2wing Monkey+

    I don't know what to think of the Scout yet. I am looking for a back roads bike for exploring. Not sure which way to go. I have a nice Sportster but it is not ideal for banging around on trails. Also thinking a Versys or 500x Honda.
    I also had a Kawi triple. 750cc 2-stroke. Probably the second scariest bike I ever road. The first being our ZX12R race bike.
    My son is trying to adopt so wants to get out of racing the Kawasaki . Anybody want to go really, really fast fr about $5500?
     
  17. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Did the GP racing bit, had/have my first small one in the shop. It started as a Kawa Baby Green Streak then I changed the engine to a 125 Yamaha twin with GYT Kit and other mods. Then/also a 500 Kawa Triple and a Honda Factory CR110 Memorable Motorcycle: Honda CR110 - Motorcycle USA

    Moved states and racing changed, sold all but the 125 twin Yamasaki I built, which is just a nostalgic bundle of money shaped like a GP motorcycle.

    Yes the triple Kawas all had a hinge in the middle, thanks to the plastic bushings in swing arm and forks.

    Is his a "stock" or a GP class?

    I've looked closely at the Ducati Scrambler and may yet leave the Scout behind and go the Duc route, but of course none of the Ducs are onshore around here. So it's a no win deal right now.
     
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  18. D2wing

    D2wing Monkey+

    The Ducati is very interesting. I first bike was a Diana Mark lll . My buddy had a 250 Scrambler,
    The current bike is a street legal XZ12 R. It has a built motor 195hp at the wheel, est 225hp at the crank.
    It also has an extended swing arm and is race tuned. It is a drag race bike but has mostly be used as a street bike.He is going to be a father so he decided to race a car instead.
     
  19. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

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  20. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Appears the Indian is IN. Three months late but only a 3 digit serial number so the facts I had show to be true. Bikes were sidelined until the production problems were solved in the Paint Shop, the TINS were redone and you got what ever you were in line for. Meaning we were assigned a number from the Factory when we put our deposit down at the dealer ship, orig sched had it to be delivered Dec. 21-27 2014.

    Gonna be nice weather tomorrow too!
     
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