More LEOs behaving badly

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by CATO, May 14, 2012.


  1. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

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  2. CaboWabo5150

    CaboWabo5150 Hell's coming with me

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  3. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    This has been going on for years. I knew a few people whom were caught in their speed traps, but what do you expect when half of Waldo's funds come from speeding tickets.

    I am just surprised that it went on as long as it did.
     
  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

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    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

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  6. CaboWabo5150

    CaboWabo5150 Hell's coming with me

    - Well it's certainly not law..

    According to a lot of these officers theses days all they know is "I AM THE LAW"

    Becoming just another street gang...
     
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  7. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Exactly! With out of control cops the only difference is if you mess with them or try to stand up against your rights being violated you usually end up in jail or worse.

    I have actually heard a cop say that the police are the biggest gang in America and then laugh about it.
     
  8. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    If you will take a moment and reflect on World History, 20th Century Europe during the 30s and 40s, look at how the police were gradually morphing into the SS. Study the gradual but steady increase in the pride for their police and their increasingly brutal assault on the less desirable demographics of their society. See how they were slowly militarized with each new law they were to enforce. That's right, the SS were police and doing their patriotic duty for the Country. Abuse and cruelty were bred with the disrespect for their citizens and it reached such a fervor, that the rest of the world was drawn into the abhoration and we get to watch re-runs of Brothers in Arms. How can we possibly make such a horrid mistake again and not STOP this in its freaking tracks?
     
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    After discussing the use of a word I created, "Abhoration", with a noted author and artist, I decided the apparent interpretation of the word, a very specific word, would be apparent so sorry, RH, not gonna edit it.
     
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  10. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    LOL I'm ringing up the Oxford Dictionary people on my hotline right now. The world has a new word! Its called the evolution of language in modern times
     
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  11. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    SC, all of this comes down to ONE simple thing, CORRUPTION, and this is where our US Constitution has failed us miserably. There were absolutely no safe guards set in place to deal with those that would subvert and corrupt our system from within. Now granted there are a lot of those that abuse their power and authority and are dealt with, but there has just been too many that have escaped justice throughout our nations history that have caused so damned much damage that I am afraid that it will be impossible to fix with out another revolution. Heck, 90% of our press is nothing but of communist that would have made Stalin proud in his day.

    There is no easy answer, but the safe guard could have been set in place during the Constitutional Convention, but human nature being human nature, even our most of our founding fathers saw that they themselves would benefit with out those safe guards being placed in our Constitution.
     
  12. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    "There is no easy answer, but the safe guard could have been set in place during the Constitutional Convention, but human nature being human nature, even our most of our founding fathers saw that they themselves would benefit with out those safe guards being placed in our Constitution."
    Wow, that's about the most cynical thing I have heard.
     
  13. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    @Seacowboys, Then you probably wouldn't / shouldn't read Boston T. Party's wonderfully depressing historical/legal treatise Hologram of Liberty: The Constitution's Shocking Alliance With Big Government:Amazon:Books.

    Frankly, although I devoured all his other useful-fascinating books, I just couldn't finish cover-to-cover Hologram of Liberty since it was too depressing. I wouldn't call it cynical, more realist. So I read a little bit at a time in digestible portions, otherwise I begin ranting too much and get heartburn. :-(

    Here is a good review from Amazon:
    Everything you were taught about the Constitution is a lie.
    By Honeyko - December 14, 2012

    It was a declaration of enslavement, plain and simple: The men who wrote it had every intention of subjecting a people freed from the yoke of kingly whim back into the tyranny of their perpetual thievery -- as the first ten words of Article 1, Section 8 baldly make clear. Passage was immediately followed by a flurry of taxes, and The Whiskey Rebellion.

    Take it away, Sam:

    "...That investigation (into the nature and construction of the new constitution), which the conspirators have so long and zealously struggled against has,...so far taken place as to ascertain the enormity of their criminality. That system which was pompously displayed as the perfection of government, proves upon examination to be the most odious system of tyranny that was ever projected, a many-headed hydra of despotism, whose complicated and various evils would be infinitely more oppressive and afflictive than the scourge of any tyrant:...

    No wonder then that such a discovery should excite uneasy apprehensions in the minds of the conspirators, for such an attempt against the public liberties is unprecedented in history, it is a crime of the blackest dye, as it strikes at the happiness of millions and the dignity of human nature, as it was intended to deprive [Americans] of the choicest blessing of life and the oppressed of all nations of an asylum [of liberty]."

    --Samuel Bryan, commenting on the 1787 coup d'état in "Centinel", January 1788


    As Royce pointed out in his brilliant but underappreciated book, the Constitution was doomed at the beginning . . .

    --The Evil That Men Do: Willful Submission To Illegitimate Authority, by William Buppert



    This book is a well-researched, scholarly dissection of the frauds surrounding the convention, the framing and the ratification of the Constitution for the United States of America. Any thinking person who reads this book should walk away angry at the hoax that has been perpetrated on the people of this country.

    . . . the material here is timeless. With a complete grasp of these ideas, it is easy to see that the left-right debate is merely a pointless sham. Powerful interests derive their power from your participation in a heated struggle, and don't want you to realize that the struggle itself is based on a lie.

    It is astonishing that this book, given its age, isn't the cornerstone of every libertarian or liberty event in the country. It is disturbing that so few people involved in those movements haven't read it, or in some cases, even heard about it. I hadn't, until a couple of months ago, but I was blown away when I read it. Now, many things make more sense, including the gut-level triteness of most neo-patriots, who cheer something they haven't taken the time to fully understand.

    Yet, this book explains why the protections of the Constitution necessarily shrink over time, while the powers expand without bound. Boston clearly explains why our current
    political environment is a direct consequence of the Constitution, and not in spite of it.

    --Tom Baugh, author of Starving the Monkeys: Fight Back Smarter. He is also a former Marine, patented inventor, entrepreneur, professional irritant and a homeschooling parent.



    . . . I just got out of a fetal position on the floor and can't really move much. I read this book, and it hit me like a comet. Talk about a needed wake up . . . --MichaelNotMike


    Product Description

    For all those who have the out-of-print 1997 edition of Hologram of Liberty, here is a synopsis of what is new in the 2012 edition:

    Introduction updated, with a farewell to political book writing

    Chapters 1-4 no-very few changes

    Chapter 5 commerce clause discussion removed for Chapter 11

    Chapter 6 separate U.S. constitution theory removed (too arcane and speculative)

    Chapter 7 no changes

    Chapter 8 no changes

    Chapter 9 several changes/updates as needed

    Chapter 10 much added: 16th Amendment and income taxation, freedom money, reining in the public corporations

    Chapter 11 full treatment of 10th Amendment vs. the commerce clause (discussed is my then forecasted SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare) lots of treatment of the states' Firearms Freedom Acts

    Chapter 12 much detail on the looming Constitutional Convention, history and future

    Chapter 13 quotes from many constitutions from Swiss to CSA to Newstates

    Chapter 14 which authors have embraced/rejected my coup d'etat theory since 1997?

    Chapter 15 And Now, Back to Reality . . . (much added to this 1997 chapter)
     
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  14. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Boston T Party has totally failed to win me with his somewhat anarchist approach to political science. I have read most of his work and find he skews the tail as much as do the liberals, just in a different direction. You can find a flaw in a diamond, but it is still the hardest mineral on earth.
     
  15. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    GA Grand Jury No-Bills SWAT Team for Flash-Banged Toddler - The Truth About Guns

    GA Grand Jury No-Bills SWAT Team for Flash-Banged Toddler
    By Robert Farago on October 7, 2014
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    “While labeling the drug investigation that ended with the disfigurement of a toddler ‘hurried and sloppy,’ a Habersham County grand jury on Monday ruled the law enforcement officers involved should not face criminal charges,” myajc.com reports. Because . . . ? “’Rather than seeing unfeeling or uncaring robots, what has not been seen before by others and talked or written about is that these individuals are suffering as well,’ the jurors wrote. ‘We have seen and heard genuine regret and sadness on the part of the law enforcement officers involved, and we think is it fair and appropriate to point out that they are human beings as well.'” Translation: the Grand Jury thinks it’s OK for ostensibly trained sworn law enforcement officers to screw-up and hurt innocent members of the public as long as the cops’ intentions are good, and they’re remorseful afterwards. Did you know that the flash bang thrown into 19-month-old Bounkham Phonesavanh’s crib detached his nose from his face? It gets worse . . .


    The alleged dealer, Wanis Thonetheva, did not reside at the home where the Phonesavahs were temporarily staying after they had been displaced by a fire.

    To my mind, the worst part isn’t the raid itself. It’s the fact that the 23-member jury clearly understood just how lame-brained the wrong-house SWAT raid was, from start to finish. AND they understood the changes needed to stop SWAT-mania from getting out of control. Again. Still. And let those responsible skate.

    “Much of the problem in this tragic situation involved information and intelligence,” the jurors wrote in their presentment.

    They concluded questions were asked about the presence of children in the home but surveillance prior to the raid was lacking.

    Jurors also recommended that training for officers using “distraction devices” such as flash bang grenades be required by law. In this case, the officer who threw the grenade did not clear the darkened room beforehand.

    “We recommend that whenever reasonably possible, suspects be arrested away from a home when doing so can be accomplished without extra risk to law enforcement and to citizens,” the presentment stated . . .

    The jurors criticized the “zeal to hold [drug dealers] accountable,” writing it “must not override cautious and patient judgment.”

    So damn what? Does the Grand Jury seriously think that their recommendation will stop SWAT cops from launching no-knock raids against their fellow Americans? Unless criminal courts hold police personal accountability for their actions, things will not change. Here’s the extent of the blowback for the GA cops who initiated, designed and implemented this botched raid.

    The jury was critical of the case agent who secured the no-knock warrant and her supervisor on the Mountain Judicial Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression Team.

    The case agent has resigned and her supervisor was reassigned with a “significant reduction” in pay. Their names were not disclosed due to “numerous death threats” made against the officers, the jurors wrote.

    The panel seemed satisfied with the decision, announced last week, to disband the Habersham task force.

    There are those who aren’t satisfied with this. At all.

    [criminal defense attorney and former Cobb County prosecutor Phillip] Holloway said this could easily be interpreted as law enforcement looking after its own.

    “If an ordinary citizen were to act with the reckless disregard described by this grand jury there can be little doubt that criminal charges would be filed,” he said.

    Cops do dangerous work from time to time, but they are “ordinary citizens.” It’s time we stripped the police of their criminal immunity. That will stop all but the most justifiable, cautious and well-planned no-knock raids in their tracks. Yes?
     
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  16. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    All I can say is that these folks are just "Dang Lucky" I was not on that Grad Jury.... For if I had been, I would have moved "Heaven & Earth" to have indicted the whole bunch of them, including the Case Officer, AND Swat Team Leader, as well as the Officer who didn't "Clear the Room" before chucking in the FlashBang. And the Judge who signed off on the Warant, would be facing Judicial Review, for not looking closer at Affidavits accompanying such Applications.
     
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  17. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    Anyone now if any of the site cop haters happen to be in PA?

    Fein is described as a "survivalist" who is known to hate law enforcement in general...
     
  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I suspect that if anyone knew anything by now they would have said something .... I suspect he is a wild card doing his own thing. Nobody here would ever fight back in such a cowardly way against the .gov man.....unless that was the plan. But what do I know out here on the west coast....them boys in the east may have some funny water out there. ;)
     
  19. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    When I heard about the shooting of the two state police officers a few months ago, the first thing that popped up in my mind was "What did they do to piss him off?" It was obviously revenge for something, not a set of random shots. The funny thing is, even now, the media has yet to talk to the shooter's family to find out what happened or why. Because of this, I can only deduce from my limited point of view, that the shooter had his reasons, and they wouldn't be petty. You don't do something like that for just a parking ticket or moving violation.
     
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  20. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Or, you're just a nutbag.
     
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