IRAN/RUSSIA/CHINA and the Coming World War

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Brokor, Dec 4, 2010.


  1. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I definitely understand how one might be fooled into thinking no one has their number, however, recent revelations from ED Snowden and His Ghost Buddy within the Org. that has now taken his place, OPSEC does not exist!
     
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    OPSEC compromised or not, it occurs to me that people who read this site and/or become members have already decided that they need to prepare for something, and come here looking for the hows and whats, not the whys. About all this flogging the politic guts of the matter might do is give them another reason to do what SM is about. I'm also quite sure that the lists exist, no matter who has them or how many are duplicated by the various alphabet agencies that don't talk to each other (and even if they do talk.) I suppose one might ask which lists they would like to be featured on, to say which list is going to be first visited, and by whom. Hammer on ---
     
  3. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I went to a BBQ yesterday and of course some groups were talking politics. I stood there and listened to an extreme liberal and an extreme conservative go at it. I just don't know. I came away wondering. According to one of them the Christians and Catholics used to behead people all the time so why should we be offended over this latest beheading. I came away realizing we live in really messed up times. How can a person in the year 2014 justify and feel okay that someone was beheaded because of shit that took place a 1000 years ago? Things are very, very unsettled and I am losing faith in my fellow human beings. We are supposed to learn from the past and correct our behaviors. We are supposed to look to history and not repeat.

    I don't know if this is the correct thread to put this in. But the title- Iran and the coming war.... well I think we should just stay out of Iran. I think we need to work on strengthening our homeland, revive our love of country. No matter what you think of Putin, he secured love of country and pride prior to Ukraine.
     
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It's a perfect place for this post, and I welcome any opinions on this matter. I always prefer philosophy and ideas more than news reports, and this thread is a bit of both. :)

    I have been known to be rough around the edges in the past, often stirring the pot and being aggressive and confrontational at times, but when it comes to this topic especially, I must do my best to not come across as being cross and insensitive. I say this because at the heart of this is without a doubt, religion. Now, years ago I pushed for a separation of religion on this forum, not out of spite but out of respect for members who visit and do not want to be inundated by scripture talk and religious motivated ideals in every thread. There are a lot of forums like that, trust me. Anyway, we have done well in keeping serious religious talk in the religious area, and the rest of the talk, be it survival or hunting or general news, out in their respective areas. The reason I bring this up is because this TOPIC is absolutely religious, and also absolutely news/current events/political/social and it cannot be kept in any one location.

    Make no mistake, this is a holy war, for many. The Middle East Muslims, they live in the past with their ideological beliefs. I would say at least 100 years or more, and some of their lifestyle hasn't changed a bit over thousands of years! I have been to Iraq and other countries, so have many who frequent these forums. I think some of us could easily claim that these people do not want American influence. I know many folks over there are decent people, no matter their beliefs. But, they have been kept obedient by an iron fist and molded to be only what they are for so long, it tends to dampen the ability to progress, evolve, change and grow. Therefore, much of the Middle East is a stagnant reminder of the past, which is why beheading an enemy in the year 2014 isn't a difficult thing for them to grasp. We have had a lot longer to progress socially than they have.

    Imagine loud, obnoxious religious chanting (sounds like torturous screaming to me) over a fuzzy loudspeaker at full volume, going on for 20 minutes to hours at a time, several times a day in every town square. To them, it's a necessary part of life. To me, it's mind control and very cruel.

    Imagine a power structure which very closely resembles our Mafia families, only theirs is more open. They have sheiks who grant permission for the henchmen to go around and politely remind people they cannot wear this or that, their wife must cover up more, you cannot eat or drink during these times of the day and you cannot swear or smoke or drink alcohol. If you steal, you get your hands cut off, if you do drugs you are executed. People will plead with their middle-men who enforce these laws, and essentially it's up to the "mafia" to decide what happens. Most people totally accept their punishment and will be beaten and imprisoned and later released. To us it is brutal, but to them, it's necessary conditioning to make them better Muslims.

    We are fighting the Christians of a thousand years ago, in a manner of speaking. Obviously the Muslims are not Christians. I had to type that or somebody would respond with a comment. The kind of mentality they have really is hundreds if not thousands of years in the past. Only now, they have cell phones, guns and tanks.
     
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  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Tribal Warfare Continues.
     
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  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Putin is a long line of Russians that are on a path that started when the wall went down.

    It was all an act and they mean to make one country of all tha past areas rulled by Russia.
     
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  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Gorbachev himself said he had other plans...and he wasn't lying, because his plans are the plans of some of the most powerful people on the planet. I remember it from long ago, especially because lots of people believed after the Berlin wall came down and the Cold War supposedly ended, followed by the democratization of Russia, there would be no more threat and only America stood as the sole superpower. All of it was a lie, I knew it. Folks wouldn't take the time to read what these leaders were actually saying, just listening to the media.

    This is what Gorbachev told the Politburo in 1989: “Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant change in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our aim is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

    Will Mikhail Gorbachev Renounce The Council On Foreign Relations: “Our Aim Is To Disarm The Americans And Let Them Fall Asleep.” M. Gorbachev. | Political Vel Craft
     
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  8. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    This in from Putin, last night's news and twitter.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday publicly addressed pro-Russian rebels fighting in southeastern Ukraine for the first time , praising their "major success" inside Ukraine.
    The Kremlin released a late-night statement from Putin on its website in which he appealed to the militia of "Novorossyia," or "New Russia."
    It's a term he has used before to describe the regions in eastern Ukraine where fighting has raged for months — a term that describes the area north of the Black Sea that was conquered by Russia in the late 18th century through peace treaties with the Cossack Hetmanate and the Ottoman Empire. In 1922, the area became part of the Soviet Union. The term is mostly used now by Russian nationalists who wish for Russia to reconquer the area.

    So we can see the plan is in motion. We are over extended, we have an adminstratuion that is worthless, we are cutting our Mil Forces. We have only one real option < The Nuke Threat> and PUTIN has already called us on that route.

    Ready for a NUKE run?
     
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  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Don't mess with nuclear Russia, Putin says - Yahoo News

    LAKE SELIGER Russia (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday Russia's armed forces, backed by its nuclear arsenal, were ready to meet any aggression, declaring at a pro-Kremlin youth camp that foreign states should understand: "It's best not to mess with us."

    (I would listen to Putin in this case. But, will we?)

    WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN: Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

    President Barack Obama's message to Russian President Vladimir Putin when traveling to Europe next week is to not "even think about messing around" with the Baltic states, the White House said Friday.

    Obama is traveling to Europe next week for a meeting in Wales with other NATO leaders. He'll also make a stop in Estonia, where he will meet with the leaders of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in an attempt to reassure allies amid burgeoning Russian aggression in Ukraine.

    (This is like something out of a movie producer's playbook)
     
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  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Ukrainian territory, big deal!

    We have our own area to take care of, if I were to believe some special ops then I'd say Russia has already had an arm of her Spetsnaz on US soil more than once.

    Parts of Alaska for sure.
     
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    And it all boils down to this...the Emperor has his grand army to fight the rebels. And who says Star Wars doesn't mimic reality?

    NATO planning rapid-deployment force of 10,000 troops to counter Russia – report — RT News

    NATO planning rapid-deployment force of 10,000 troops to counter Russia – report
    nato-planning-rapid-deployment-force-of-10_000-troops-to-counter-russia.si.
    NATO is reportedly working towards the creation of an expeditionary force composed of 10,000 troops from seven different member states as a result of escalating tensions with Russia over the conflict in Ukraine.

    According to the Financial Times, the force’s creation will be spearheaded by Britain and involve contributions from Denmark, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Norway, and the Netherlands. Canada is also interested in joining the group, but it’s not known what its final decision will be.
     
  12. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    I think the we are pretty much screwed!
    Iran is reportedly moving missiles to attack Israel in retaliation over the Drone incident a week or so ago.
    They are telegraphing retaliation, and have accused Israel of threatening them with a Nuclear strike.
    ISIS has taken the UN Golan checkpoint and UN forces prisoner.
    Russia is attacking Ukraine and escalating tensions in Europe.
    China is telling its Pilots to get in closer during encounters with US Fighter Jets.
    And then there is this;
    CIA now admits that President Obama is a radical Islamic enemy of America - Los Angeles Obama Administration | Examiner.com
    CIA now admits that President Obama is a radical Islamic enemy of America
    August 28, 2014
    It’s an explosive charge, one that practically accuses the president of treason.

    If you want to receive further articles, please click on SUBSCRIBE.

    Today, a former CIA agent bluntly told the newspaper, World Net Daily, that America has switched sides in the war on terror under President Obama. Clare Lopez was willing to say what a few members of Congress have said in private, but declined to say on-the-record.

    Clare M. Lopez is the Vice President for Research and Analysis at the Center for Security Policy and a Senior Fellow at The Clarion Project, the London Center for Policy Research, and the Canadian Meighen Institute. Since 2013, she has served as a member of the Citizens Commission on Benghazi. Also Vice President of the Intelligence Summit, she formerly was a career operations officer with the Central Intelligence Agency, a professor at the Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies, Executive Director of the Iran Policy Committee from 2005-2006, and has served as a consultant, intelligence analyst, and researcher for a variety of defense firms. She was named a Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute in 2011.

    Lopez said the global war on terror had been an effort to “stay free of Shariah,” or repressive Islamic law, until the Obama administration began siding with such jihadist groups as the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliates. Lopez believes that the Muslim Brotherhood has thoroughly infiltrated the Obama administration and other branches of the federal government. One of the most outrageous of those appointments is Mohamed Elibiary, a senior member of the Department of Homeland Security Advisory Council. According to a report by the Center for Security Policy, Elibiary supports brokering a U.S. partnership with the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist group. Two months ago, a firestorm erupted online after Elibiary tweeted that a “Caliphate” is inevitable and compared it to the European Union.

    Ms. Lopez also believes Obama had essentially the same goals in the Mideast as the late Osama bin Laden: “to remove American power and influence, including military forces, from Islamic lands.” The former CIA operative’s perspective affects her prescription for what the U.S. should do about the terror army ISIS, as she called for caution and restraint.
    While there has been a sudden chorus of politicians and military experts calling for the immediate elimination of the terrorist army after it beheaded American journalist James Foley last week, Lopez believes the U.S. should have an overall strategy in place before fully re-engaging in the Mideast militarily.Any military action would be further complicated, she told WND, if it were not clear which side the U.S. is on, either in the short term or in the overall war on terror.
    Lopez felt it was impossible to understand why the president and some of his top appointees, such as CIA Director John Brennan, who is believed to be a Muslim convert, “consistently seem to apologize for Islam, even in the face of such atrocities as the Foley beheading,” adding, they “take pains to assure the world they don’t think IS, (or the Islamic State, also called ISIS) or whichever perpetrator it was, has anything to do with Islam. How can they possibly believe that genuinely when everything these jihadis do tracks directly to the literal text of Quran, hadiths and Shariah?”
    “In any case, and for whatever motivations, there is no doubt this administration switched sides in what used to be called the Global War on Terror,” she said.
    I wonder if those who don't want to go 'on the record' will finally speak out.
     
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  13. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    While do not think that the Examiner is the most reliable press source, I do agree that Obama is not going to try to stop the radicals. If I take out the belief that Obama is a sleeper America hating Muslim, I am left with Obama is a liberal that believes all can be solved by talking to each other. The first proof of this was inviting two parties to the WH for a few beers to work out an issue. Some live under the delusion that if you leave people alone, they will leave you alone. That doesn't work so well in this world. Notice after they beheaded the journalist and Americans were enraged, as poll numbers dropped about 48 hours later a report comes out that there was a secret rescue mission that failed because the journalist was not there. I have notice this happening more and more. When the WH fails to act, the people react, poll numbers drop then a secret behind the scenes story comes out- fact or fiction, you decided.
     
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  14. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Motomom34
    "That doesn't work so well in this world. Notice after they beheaded the journalist and Americans were enraged, as poll numbers dropped about 48 hours later a report comes out that there was a secret rescue mission that failed because the journalist was not there."

    No doubt they missed the mark, after all when the Pres is in on the meetings for rescue then why not think he warned his Muslim Brothers!
     
  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I wouldn't be posting ANYTHING from that source if I were you. It's a little too fringe to be taken seriously, for everyday news they would be fine, just not politics. Just a heads-up.
     
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  16. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    There has been a lot of buzz over this in the past couple of years!
    As to the legitimacy of this particular news source you may be right, however, they are not the only news source making these accusations!
    Where there's smoke there's usually at least a spark!
    Even our enemies are in on the Game!
    Report: Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrated Obama Admin - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva
     
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  17. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Which is more likely?

    1. "Obama", or Barry is a Lawyer type criminal from Chicago, born in Africa, raised Muslim, but as an adult he is sympathetic to Islamic groups and may not react like a man with the surname "Bush" when it comes to the Middle East. He's not out to murder all the infidels and welcome Sharia law, he's working for the corporations who placed him in this position and serving his time just like all the rest. He's got plenty of money, a spot for himself and his family at any number of underground cities known as D.U.M.B's, and his retirement plan is solid. As it happens, the interests of the corporate elite might include destroying the last remnants of the American republic in order to welcome the globalist empire and world wide fascist rule. The ends will justify the means.

    2. Obama is a hired Islam Manchurian candidate reptilloid actor sent by the Illuminati priests and created by the Annunaki to pretend to be the Anti-Christ and enslave the children of the world. He can hypnotize anybody with his glare and he eats fetuses for sustenance, which is why he also promoted abortion. He's heavily into dark, satanic music and he smokes, which is indicative of a demon spawn. He fully intends to support his Muslim brothers and overtake America by subversion and force if necessary! He will also play pick-up-jacks with kids to hide his true intent, another of his devious ploys to gain acceptance. He wants to drink the blood of all infidels because reptiles like that stuff.
     
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  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    or:
    3. We are all screwed as free citizens and the toilet bowl is sucking us down, into the abyss, as we have already crossed the threshold into tyranny...
    Plan for the worst... as hope may be lost on fixing our current system. It has been corrupted, exploited and weakened to the point that mob rule will finish us off as a Republic. What comes next.... the next dark ages period... maybe, but in general nothing good for society at large.
     
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  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    LOL yeah. And some say I am a pessimist. ;) I think we have a long way to go before we see the final results of the evil empire at work. And, who knows maybe the world will turn out better in the end. No people ever remain as slaves. Sooner or later, they rise up and supplant the despots and tyrants.

    "The greatest trick the elites ever pulled was to convince the world they don't exist."

    How's that for perspective?
     
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  20. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    YOU GUY"S!!

    4) OR, He really is a Socialist, and He can't Declare Emergency Police Powers without a good (Domestic Terror Attacks) reason and Institute the change he really want's!
     
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