Bundy Ranch Stand Off - The Next Waco?

Discussion in 'Bill of Rights' started by Mountainman, Apr 10, 2014.


  1. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Federal Judges have a habit of forcing the Administration to comply with Federal Statutes, like FOIA... That means even the NSA... in a classic case adjudicated, recently.... All it takes is a Federal Court Ruling, and a US Marshal, can and will Arrest ANYONE, that defies a Federal Court Order.... Where most of the issues arise is where the Judge, puts his Ruling, in abeyance, while the .Gov, or a Citizen, appeals. Find a Judge that doesn't do that, and the Answers will come, VERY Fast. US Marshals do NOT take CRAP, from ANYONE, and their Jurisdiction is ALL US Territory, Period.
     
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  2. Mike

    Mike Ol' Army Sergeant Monkey

    Bundy saw the BLM (Feds) run his neighbors out on pretext after pretext. BLM was created to HELP the rancher, not drive them out. When it got to where they were a threat, no longer help, he quit paying feds, and offered to pay Clark county. All of this should be at State and County level. Feds have no business in it. BLM has failed in it's mission just as Dept of Energy (formed in the 70's to wean us off of Saudi oil). Both should be defunded and shut down as failures. All that power should revert back to state level, per the 10th Amendment
     
  3. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Notice he quit paying and offered to pay locally. Notice as this moved along, I have heard reports that he did pay locally. The news is saying he paid State taxes but that to me seems like a misdirect. He didn't pay state taxes on the disputed land. I read today that the land is the governments, they claimed it after the Mexicans surrendered, this was prior to statehood. Next thing you know the Mexicans are going to say it is theirs.

    BTW- most federal agencies have failed. I can't think of one successful one.
     
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  4. Mike

    Mike Ol' Army Sergeant Monkey

    I agree. I firmly believe that the states should retrieve the things the feds are running that are not tied to the constitution and weed through them. Many could be shut off, others better managed. Let the states decide how each state will operate, and let the voters decide if the state meets their needs by relocating where they prefer the government.
     
  5. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

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  6. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator


    » Judge Napolitano: Ranch Rebellion Was Americans’ “Line in the Sand” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    Great synopsis by the judge of the whole situation [winkthumb]
     
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  7. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Love the Judge! He always makes sense to me. Thanks for posting @Yard Dart
     
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    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

  9. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    After studying land law and the way it works around here there is a chain of command. The way it goes is the highest proof of ownership in this country is allodial title. This is given out in the form of a land patent. The entire country was divided up into what was affectionately known as the kings folly. This means that he gave complete ownership to the American people free of all tax and duties. You family probably has lots and lots of land that you own in the allodium. The land patent has been upheld in every court in the land.

    Below the patent comes the title to the land. This is what they create when land lays idle for too long. It is a legal title and much inferior. The patent is law of the land, the legal title is shadow of law. This is what the lawyers and others used to make land grabs. They find parcels of land, stake a 30 day claim on it and if nobody disputes it within 30 days they file for a quit/claim deed or other similar deed.

    Before the 1900s there was only land patents and the wording in them specifies that they last forever. But what if you die with no heirs? Good question. The way the system is created is that anyone can stake a claim (as my brother did) to land and act as the new owner. Each state has a different time period before you own the land (CA is 5 years, NY is 7, ME is 10 etc.). After that time you acquire legal title to the land. You then order the land patent from the General Land Office (GLO) and put it with your legal title and the entire history of the chain of title to create what is called "perfect title". This gives you complete ownership of your land outside of the jurisdiction of the US government.

    If the Bundy's have been on their land since the 1800s then they probably have the original documents, grazing rights, what ever it is. My grandfather owned half of CO at one point and I have about 8 land patents where he used to take his cattle from the north all the way into NM. These patents are still valid and signed by the President and they cover all of our country. What they are selling off to other countries like China is the legal title which is far inferior to the land patent which is recognized world wide. If you can see where I'm going with this, we can take back our country simply by proving (with birth certificates) that we are the heirs of the original land owners. Below I have attached a pic of a land patent. Notice the wording that the land is theirs and their heirs FOREVER. All you have to do is prove you are related and that there are no others above you staking a claim.

    Check out
    Team Law's Home Page
    and
    http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/3/3d/Land_Patent_Flavius_Dilts1.png
     
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  10. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

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  11. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

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  12. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Bundy's cattle are a threat to Reid's $5 Billion Dollar solar deal with the Chinese!! It sickens me that this isn't all over the news by now!
     
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  13. Mike

    Mike Ol' Army Sergeant Monkey

    When the mainstream media goes bankrupt from not having anyone but the uneducated watching their drivel, then we will have true news. But till then, it's never going to get real news
     
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  14. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    The Rumor Mill is alive and well circulating news that the fed is planning a secondary move on the ranch with a snatch and grab of the family.[tf]

    I hope any of our citizen soldiers- boys and girls, that went down to defend the Bundy's, are watched over with divine guidance in their actions and words.... and I hope they make them pay (bleed the bastards) if the fed goons make a stupid move like that..... IMO.

    I came home today and started to inspect my kit (again) and ensure it was good to go if needed..... fired up in the NW.

    The sad thing about our nation today vs back when I served in the Armed Forces...... back then we had an enemy or target of our training/actions... in foreign lands, that would pay if they dare to impact our way of life. Now days, all we can see is how we have that threat in our own backyard... from OUR government.... sad days indeed.....

    Excuse me, I have to clean the musket and sharpen the hatchet.... ;)
    YD
     
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  15. Mike

    Mike Ol' Army Sergeant Monkey

    You are dead right on all counts. I put my time in the Army serving my nation. Now I am actually starting to fear my government
     
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  16. firekey

    firekey Monkey

    more likely (by far) htat his neighbors have been complaining (loudly and for a long time) that he's letting his cattle run on their land.
     
  17. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    The tortises can talk?
     
  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    His neighbors have been run out of business by the feds.... he is the last man standing....
    I think you are out of your element son and need to hit it.... cause you are about to be thrown out the plane in my book.
     
  19. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    His neighbors, those that are left, have stood with him and I saw tonight where they are helping try to round up his remaining cattle.
     
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  20. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    This is a new kind of invasion. China is taking over our country and its a quiet take over. Obama is just giving it away and its all very quiet. He is selling the infrastructure of whole cities off to them and no news source is reporting it... or very little.


    China to Build Cities and Economic Zones in Michigan and Idaho - PolicyMic
    http://www.chinacityofamerica.com/

    This makes perfect sense if you look at the structure of fractional reserve banking. The bankers have created a system that is going to crash. It has no choice and is part of the design. When this happens they don't want to be here. Before they would have been hunted down and hung, shot, or killed some other way for their actions but now that there are no boundaries they can travel anywhere in the world and have all the money they could need in credit that is easily changed into any country they happen to be in. They don't even need the bills or coins that the rest of us use. So like the vampires that they are, once they have sucked us dry they abandon our lands and could care less that China will take them one way or another and make no mistake, China is well established in this country. They have millions of THEIR citizens here and ready to take over and just look how they treat their own people let alone people standing in their way. I hope you are all ready for a war. Our government will fight us but that is nothing compared to what China is going to do. They will wait until we are weak from fighting our own government and then move in with the largest army in the world. Their army is double the size of ours.
     
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