More LEOs behaving badly

Actually, I was reading it when I got the alert for this message...

I am not at all surprised by the background...I WAS surprised to see your agreement with the guy who automatically assumes the officer to be at fault in any and all instances that have been quoted here since he has been coming around to the forum.

You know how I feel about bad cops and other overreaching agents of .gov...but I will not assume that an officer is guilty (or innocent for that matter) based on an obviously biased (and self-contradictory) British tabloid report.

In many ways, I think the people who immediately assume that the media is telling the truth and the cops are guilty do as much damage to those trying to stop the abuses as the "birthers" and their ilk do to those trying to point out and stop the real abuses by Obama and company. Sort of a "boy who cried wolf" effect.

Let's really look at each incident and determine when there is actual abuse rather than trying to sensationalize every incident to fit an agenda.

 

I guess that after personally seeing enough LE acts that I think are BS and/or flat out illegal, I am very negative toward them and don't check into a story enough before getting fired up. I can work on that.

We both live in places that you have to take care of any situation that comes up and calling LE is not an option because they will never get there in time. Ditto on being away from home, we are on our own. This changes my attitude since I do not need them and pretty much only see them out generating revenue.

The main things that piss me off are them being jackboots, the excessive use of tasers and being revenue generators instead of law enforcers (the legal laws). What I feel about those items would be pretty much impossible to change.

 

Ya I watched the video...I saw the guy put his dog in the car to protect it AND the approaching "Officials". I did not see the dog attack...in fact the dog was doing its job...the cops seem to be power tripping. You shouldn't be able to shoot it until it attacks....this whole "I felt threatened so I can kill everyone/everything because I'M THE AUTHORITY!" I certainly didn't see the man commit a crime worthy of shooting his best friend. I guess this is part of "The Code"..where you back your fellow gang members up no matter how vicious their behavior is.
Surprised they weren't screaming "STOP RESISTING".
You honestly don't think it would have been better for them to let the owner go for a minute so that he could secure the animal? He wasn't resisting and had already made an effort to do so....saddly forgetting to roll up the window.


Frankly, doesn't this man have a Constitutional right to video the police?
The crime scene was not taped off and he was not obstructing the investigation as far as being between the cruisers and house where the other "Officials" were working. Happened during the day, how can you justify putting a man in cuffs and arresting him for noise violations? Might be different in the Ghetto down there...but up here you can play loud music till 10pm. Even still...do you normally cuff people for noise violations? Isn't that usually just a ticket at worst?

 

California Cops Arrest Man, Shoot His Dog Because He Didn’t Follow Orders : Personal Liberty Digest™

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The dog approached the police officers and his handcuffed owner. And when an officer grabbed at his leash, the frightened animal jumped, prompting the lawman to shoot the dog multiple times. Despite firing his service weapon repeatedly, however, the officer’s sloppy marksmanship left the dog writhing in pain in the road until it eventually died.
Remarkably, Hawthorne police Lt. Scott Swain claimed that the dog was shot because the cops feared that he was a threat to Hawthorn, who was rendered defenseless because he had been needlessly handcuffed.
“It looks like the officer tried to reach down and grab the leash, and then the dog lunges in the direction of him and the other officers there,” Swain said. “And I know it’s the dog’s master, and more than likely not going to attack him, (but) we’ve got a guy handcuffed that’s kind of defenseless. We have a duty to defend him, too.”
Rosby said that he believes the officers were simply retaliating against him for a complaint he previously filed against the department. Court records indicate that he has previous convictions for resisting, battery and driving under the influence. He said he has filed six complaints against the Hawthorne Police Department, alleging mistreatment and racial profiling.
“There’s been a pattern of harassment against him and other African-Americans in Hawthorne,” said Rosby’s attorney, Michael Gulden. “Last July, the police responded to his home and beat him unnecessarily, then threw him in jail for no reason. We sued for that. We’ll amend that complaint to include the dog incident.”
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Before I had only read the article and did not want to see it with the dog getting shot. I just watched the video and I'm fired up now.

Rosby was taunting the cops with his loud music and recording of them while they were on a call. At no time did I see the cops come over and tell him to turn the music down or off. After the initial suspect was arrested the 2 jackboot a-holes decided that since contempt of cop was not illegal, they would get him for obstructing. An obstructing arrest is SOP when you piss off a cop and/or don't cooperate with them.

Well the 2 JB AH's hook Rosby up and then officer, I'm a f'in moron about dog behavior, comes over to help. They have the dogs master in cuffs and to the dog it looks like they are hurting him so he jumps out of the car to protect his master. Well let's see, then officer moron in his infinite dog behavior wisdom thinks that grabbing for the dogs leash is the way to control it. The dog was not attacking BOTH times officer moron tried to get the leash and only lashed out when he tried and the dog felt threatened.

In conclusion: I am hoping for the worst of luck for the 2 JB AH's and I'm not going to say what I'm thinking. Officer moron needs to be transferred to the K9 unit and used as a chew toy until he understands how dogs think. Rosby will sue them and I hope he gets a boat load of money.

 

I highlighted the area of your statement I have a problem with. The SCOUS has ruled on this. Their decision is the Law of the Land. It is not illegal to film/video or use your cell phone to visually record the actions of law enforcement officers. Too many police officers do not keep abreast of changes to the law. They are either too ignorant, stupid, or stubborn to abide by or keep themselves informed as to what the current law actually is. It is harped upon the civilian populace that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I am only throwing that same sentiment back in the faces of those who are tasked to protect and serve. I have nothing in particular against LEO's. I do believe in the golden rule, and believe that if you treat people like crap, you will get crap in return. A badge and a blue suit doesn't make you a god. You are human with all the frailties and susceptibilities to making errors or acting in ill will as the rest of us. Unfortunately a few LEO's act inappropriately and taint the actions of all.

 

Laws vary from place to place, and I don't claim to know them all. There are many laws I disagree with, and laws that make no sense, but they are posted and obeyed. Gun-free zones, I believe are both stupid and unconstitutional, but legal. Gun bans for cosmetic reasons are simply stupid, A minor game law in Alaska, unknown to even the judge who presided, became a Lacy Act violation, when a second bear was taken by Ted Nugent, after an arrow TOUCHED the fur of the first one. By taking the bear home, he became a felon.
I allowed for the fact there may be a law in effect where the video was taken. That is why I said IF, not BECAUSE. I also said, "I don't see the problem with filming in this case" , but there are some cases where I can see it poses a hazard for the officer. under-cover work comes to mind. He is playing s role, and any movie fan can tell you, close examination of a video will show MUCH more than the live performance. It would likely expose him. Of course, you are not supposed to know him for a cop, so how would you NOT film him?
A side note, being on film is not really a simple thing. People act a bit differently when they know they are recorded. They can't help it. Acting natural in front of a camera, either takes training, or being a extrovert, and a natural desire to perform. For most people, it is stressful, the bellies pull in, the shoulders square, the strides lengthen to a march without real thought. Like donning armor before battle, a camera alters how most people act. It is one reason, I hate Google-Glass, and all the thousands of public cameras. They change people from honest to acting from dawn to dusk, i don't like that at all. It is invasive.

 

The camera work sucks, the sound is destroyed by stupidity, and the image has been blurred out, BUT this much is sure: AT 1:42, the dog lunged open mouthed at the officer who was trying to secure it. He had his gun ready, but did NOT fire until the dog lunged. Failure to control is the fault of the owner, had he secured the dog properly, No harm would have come to it. i don't like what happened to the dog, but the fault lies with his owner.

 

Don't know which video you watched, but the one I saw was not blurred out. The initial intent of Brokor's post was to point out the two dickheads that had to flex their muscles and then what (they caused) happened because of it. The shooting of the dog was the end result of the first two "LEO's behaving badly", but the moron that shot the dog does not fit that title. He just overreacted when he should have used pepper spray or a taser first. I know what your going to say and I'll comment before you say it. Yes, the officer had time to pull out something that was not lethal, since he had time to draw his gun and reach for the leash not just once, but twice (moron). That does not even take into account the people in the area that could have been hit since he HAD to use his gun and I'd bet since he was in panic mode he had no idea what was beyond the target that could be hit by ricochets. Just what I think about the panic mode thing, but I'd put money on it.

 

Video is linked in post #171. @Mountainman, the amount of noise being made by the dog's owner, in and of itself, WAS a hazard to the safety of the other officers , who may have needed help. This was an armed hostile situation they were responding to. and it had been going on for almost 2 hours. I don't think filming had anything to do with the actions or reactions of the cops. i too, would have like a less deadly response to dog aggression but tasers have their own problems. Did the officer even have one? I don't know. they are very short range, one, or in some cases two shots, and not very accurate. A buddy of mine, while training with them, was as part of the training, shot with a taser at no more than 10 feet. instead of two barbs in the chest as aimed, he received one in the nuts! they are not NON- lethal, but LESS-lethal. they do sometimes kill.
In this case, , the officer did not fire, and another officer did taser the dog. with very little result. though it did break off it's attack, it also fled. Not a good idea with a proven biter and a large dog.
i don't like the spray of lead either,(EDIT: I count 4 rapid shots, 1-123. no follow up when it rolled into the street, just in the yard) but the first shots were backed up with a dirt yard, and a downward angled shot, i have no way to know, (unless someone want to do a google earth 360 view video) what was behind the other shots. it did not LOOK like panic shooting to me.
Young Turks are split on this incident (I don't watch them, but they do address it.)
This could have been fatal, without assistance from others Rotts, are not lap dogs.
This was fatal, and the owner lost his dogs and his liberty.

This is stungun, and pepper spray on the same guy, and the effectiveness of each, in breaking off an attack. Pepper spray is a very clear winner of this contest. Would I do this to a dog? Considering the sensitivity of a dogs nose, it might be more humane to simply shoot it. It certainly would not understand what was going on, even while you were trying to help it.
There are not many videos of dogs getting pepper-sprayed, except by people being mean, caught by someone else's camera.

Could the dog have been tased? Yes, but with a much higher chance of missing, or missing one barb, due to a smaller moving target, and that means no juice. And most of them are one shot weapons.
Could the dog have been maced? Yes, if the officer even had any. Though the damage to a dog's nose would likely be severe. Would it be more humane? I don't know. He would most likely live, but who knows what it would do to him mentally? Would he hide under the couch or bite anyone who comes close after that? I don't know.
Did the cops have other options? Yes. Should they have ignored him? yes. was the dog owner responsible for what happened, to him and his dog? Yes. He caused it, he forced the issue for a stupid youtube video, he was clearly breaking a noise ordnance, he failed to secure his dog, and he is responsible for what his dog does. A dog used or trained as a weapon IS A WEAPON, (How would they know one way or the other?) so the cops took no large chances when it escaped the car. The shooter used a tool he KNEW would work, and I can't fault him for that.

 

I think you DO like what happened to the dog especially because you get to push the blame on the owner.

 

This is freedom....that you have to HIDE from the police in order to film them and make them accountable. This is freedom that you should NEVER stand out and be LOUD. This is freedom that the sheep call you "stupid" for standing up and say things like "he had it coming for being bold".

Scum.

 

No, grinder, I do not. But if the owner had not brought him, had not acted the fool, had not failed to secure him,it would not have been possible to kill him.
If a kid takes the family car with no licence, and is driving in a very safe manner, but is struck by a drunk driver, the kid is at fault. There could have been no accident, if he had followed the law.

 

He played the fool, for a youtube. And you do NOT have the Right to blast loud noise at everyone else. Your Rights end, when they conflict with mine.

 

Ya I'm sure you feel these are all "justified" too eh Kellory?

 

Making noise does not fit the punishment.
Frankly, when my brothers were younger and we had BIG parties (100+) with BIG bon fires (technically illegal without a permit but never fined) the police and fire dept have stopped by here more than a couple times. The dogs have always been out and the police know us so they honk at the end of the driveway and we came out to greet them.
They ask us to turn it down or lower the fire and we always complied.
No problem ever. No dead dogs.

 

I have seen all of these, and they have no bearing on this case, regardless of my feeling about it.

 

If a GANG showed a "trend" in their violent activity....police would think it worth investigating. Some of your police act very much like a "gang".