IRAN/RUSSIA/CHINA and the Coming World War

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  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    What is your source on this piece. Since I can not readily find anything on it, I have a tendency to discount it completely. just asking ..... a link or something would be helpful. Thanks.
     
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  3. tulianr

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  4. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Nice to see all that practice was not wasted.

    Reminds me of Benvides and the Army nuke suitcase delivery by that trooper.

    I know I have his name spelled wrong but off site right now.

    Anyway it was proven that we can drop in behind lines and do a Nuke Kill shot way back in the 60s.

    Heroes one and all
     
  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey



    Roy Benavidez, small town boy who made it out and did good.



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    Raul (Roy) Perez Benavidez​

    100px-Benavidez. 100px-Army_Medal_of_Honor.
    Born​
    August 5, 1935
    Cuero, Texas
    Died​
    November 29, 1998 (aged 63)
    Brooke Army Medical Center, Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio, Texas
    Place of burial​
    Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery
    Allegiance​
    22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg. United States of America
    Service/branch​
    [​IMG] United States Army
    Years of service​
    1952–1976
    Rank​
    Master Sergeant
    Unit​
    Military Assistance Command, Vietnam Studies and Observations Group (MACVSOG)
    Battles/wars​
    Vietnam War
    Awards​
    Medal of Honor
    Distinguished Service Cross
    Purple Heart
    Texas Legislative Medal of Honor
    (partial list)
    Other work​
    two autobiographical works
    Master Sergeant Raul (Roy) Perez Benavidez (August 5, 1935 – November 29, 1998) was a member of the Studies and Observations Group of the United States Army. He received the Medal of Honor for his actions in combat near Lộc Ninh, South Vietnam on May 2, 1968.
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    [edit] Childhood and early life

    Roy P. Benavidez was born in Lindenau near Cuero, Texas in DeWitt County. His parents were of Mexican and Yaqui Indian ancestry. When he was two years old, his father died of tuberculosis and his mother remarried. Five years later, his mother died from tuberculosis too. Benavidez and his younger brother, Roger moved to El Campo, where their grandfather, uncle and aunt raised them along with eight cousins.
    Benavidez shined shoes at the local bus station, labored on farms in Texas and Colorado, and worked at a tire shop in El Campo.[citation needed] He attended school sporadically, and at the age 15 he dropped out to work full-time to help support the family.
    [edit] Military career

    In 1952, during the Korean War, Benavidez enlisted in the Texas Army National Guard. In June 1955, he enlisted in the regular United States Army. He married Hilaria Coy in 1959, the year he completed his airborne training and was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg. In 1965 he was sent to South Vietnam as an advisor to an ARVN infantry regiment. He stepped on a land mine during a patrol and was evacuated to the United States, where doctors at Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC) thought he would never walk again. Despite serious injury to his spine, Benavidez walked out of the hospital in July 1966, with his wife at his side.[citation needed]
    Benavidez returned to Fort Bragg to begin training for the elite Studies and Observations Group (SOG). Despite continuing pain from his wounds, he became a member of the 5th Special Forces Group and returned to South Vietnam in January 1968. On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces team was surrounded by a NVA battalion. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying a medical bag and rushed to join the trapped team. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely glorious actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men." He was believed dead after finally being evacuated and was being zipped up in a body bag when he mustered the last of his strength and spit in the face of a medic, thereby alerting nearby medical personnel that he was still alive. (see medal citation below)
    Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,[1] Benavidez was evacuated once again to Brooke Army Medical Center, where he eventually recovered. For his heroism, the Army awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.
    In 1973, after more detailed accounts became available, Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Ralph R. Drake insisted that Benavidez receive the Medal of Honor. By then, however, the time limit on the medal had expired. An appeal to Congress resulted in an exemption for Benavidez, but the Army Decorations Board still denied him the Medal of Honor. The board required an eyewitness account from someone present during the action, but Benavidez thought that no others were alive who had been at the "Six Hours in Hell."[citation needed]
    In 1980, however, Brian O'Connor, a radioman in the attacked Special Forces team, provided a ten-page report of the engagement. O'Connor had been severely wounded (Benavidez had believed him dead), and was evacuated to the United States before his superiors could fully debrief him. O'Connor learned that Benavidez was alive by chance. He had been living in the Fiji Islands and was on holiday in Australia when he read a newspaper account of Benavidez from an El Campo newspaper. It had been picked up by the international press and reprinted in Australia. O'Connor soon contacted his old friend and submitted his report, confirming the accounts already provided by others and providing the missing eyewitness.
    On February 24, 1981, President Ronald Reagan presented Roy P. Benavidez the Medal of Honor. Reagan reportedly turned to the press and said: "If the story of his heroism were a movie script, you would not believe it". He then read the official award citation.[citation needed]
    [edit] Medal of Honor citation

    BENAVIDEZ, ROY P.Rank and organization: Master Sergeant. Organization: Detachment B-56, 5th Special Forces Group, Republic of VietnamPlace and date: West of Loc Ninh on May 2, 1968Entered service at: Houston, Texas June 1955Born: August 5, 1935, DeWitt County, Cuero, Texas.Citation:
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    Army Master Sgt. Roy P. Benavidez (center) is flanked by United States Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger (left) and President Ronald Reagan at his Medal of Honor presentation ceremony in 1981.
    Master Sergeant (then Staff Sergeant) Roy P. Benavidez United States Army, who distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions on 2 May 1968 while assigned to Detachment B56, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Republic of Vietnam. On the morning of 2 May 1968, a 12-man Special Forces Reconnaissance Team was inserted by helicopters in a dense jungle area west of Loc Ninh, Vietnam to gather intelligence information about confirmed large-scale enemy activity. This area was controlled and routinely patrolled by the North Vietnamese Army. After a short period of time on the ground, the team met heavy enemy resistance, and requested emergency extraction. Three helicopters attempted extraction, but were unable to land due to intense enemy small arms and anti-aircraft fire. Sergeant Benavidez was at the Forward Operating Base in Loc Ninh monitoring the operation by radio when these helicopters returned to off-load wounded crewmembers and to assess aircraft damage. Sergeant Benavidez voluntarily boarded a returning aircraft to assist in another extraction attempt. Realizing that all the team members were either dead or wounded and unable to move to the pickup zone, he directed the aircraft to a nearby clearing where he jumped from the hovering helicopter, and ran approximately 75 meters under withering small arms fire to the crippled team. Prior to reaching the team's position he was wounded in his right leg, face, and head. Despite these painful injuries, he took charge, repositioning the team members and directing their fire to facilitate the landing of an extraction aircraft, and the loading of wounded and dead team members. He then threw smoke canisters to direct the aircraft to the team's position. Despite his severe wounds and under intense enemy fire, he carried and dragged half of the wounded team members to the awaiting aircraft. He then provided protective fire by running alongside the aircraft as it moved to pick up the remaining team members. As the enemy's fire intensified, he hurried to recover the body and classified documents on the dead team leader. When he reached the leader's body, Sergeant Benavidez was severely wounded by small arms fire in the abdomen and grenade fragments in his back. At nearly the same moment, the aircraft pilot was mortally wounded, and his helicopter crashed. Although in extremely critical condition due to his multiple wounds, Sergeant Benavidez secured the classified documents and made his way back to the wreckage, where he aided the wounded out of the overturned aircraft, and gathered the stunned survivors into a defensive perimeter. Under increasing enemy automatic weapons and grenade fire, he moved around the perimeter distributing water and ammunition to his weary men, reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. Facing a buildup of enemy opposition with a beleaguered team, Sergeant Benavidez mustered his strength, began calling in tactical air strikes and directed the fire from supporting gunships to suppress the enemy's fire and so permit another extraction attempt. He was wounded again in his thigh by small arms fire while administering first aid to a wounded team member just before another extraction helicopter was able to land. His indomitable spirit kept him going as he began to ferry his comrades to the craft. On his second trip with the wounded, he was clubbed from behind by an enemy soldier. In the ensuing hand-to-hand combat, he sustained additional wounds to his head and arms before killing his adversary.[2][note 1] He then continued under devastating fire to carry the wounded to the helicopter. Upon reaching the aircraft, he spotted and killed two enemy soldiers who were rushing the craft from an angle that prevented the aircraft door gunner from firing upon them. With little strength remaining, he made one last trip to the perimeter to ensure that all classified material had been collected or destroyed, and to bring in the remaining wounded. Only then, in extremely serious condition from numerous wounds and loss of blood, did he allow himself to be pulled into the extraction aircraft. Sergeant Benavidez' gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men. His fearless personal leadership, tenacious devotion to duty, and extremely valorous actions in the face of overwhelming odds were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflect the utmost credit on him and the United States Army. [3]
    [edit] Retirement

    Despite the severe injuries Master Sergeant Benavidez sustained in Vietnam, he continued serving the Army and was assigned to Fort Riley, Kansas, Fort Devens, Massachusetts, and Fort Sam Houston, Texas. In August 1976 he retired from the United States Army as a Master Sergeant. Benavidez, his wife, and their three children then returned home to El Campo, Texas.
    Benavidez devoted his remaining years to the youth of America, speaking to them about the importance of staying in school and getting an education. His message was simple: "An education is the key to success. Bad habits and bad company will ruin you."
    In 1983, Benavidez told the press that the Social Security Administration planned to cut off disability payments he had been receiving since retirement, as well as the disability payments for thousands of other veterans. He went to Capitol Hill on their behalf and pleaded with the House Select Committee on Aging to abandon their plans, which they finally did.
    Benavidez was in demand as a speaker by United States armed forces, schools, military and civic groups, and private businesses. He also spoke in Greece, Panama, Korea, and Japan, where he visited American military personnel and even joined them on field exercises. He received complimentary letters from students, service members, and private citizens throughout the world.
    He wrote three autobiographical books about his life and military experience. In 1986, he published The Three Wars of Roy Benavidez, which described his struggles growing up as a poor Mexican-American orphan, his military training and combat in Vietnam, and the efforts by others to get recognition for his actions in Vietnam.[4] Benavidez later wrote "The Last Medal of Honor" (Texas: Swan Publishers, 1991) with Pete Billac and Medal of Honor: A Vietnam Warrior's Story in 1995.[5]
    [edit] Death

    Roy Benavidez died on November 29, 1998, at the age of 63 at Brooke Army Medical Center, having suffered respiratory failure and complications of diabetes.[6] His body was escorted to St. Robert Bellarmine's Catholic Church, where he had married, where his three children were married, where he attended Mass every Sunday. He was then returned to Fort Sam Houston's Main Chapel for a public viewing. Family friend Archbishop Patrick Flores of the San Antonio Dioceses presided over a Catholic funeral mass at San Fernando Cathedral located in San Antonio.
    Benavidez was buried with full military honors at Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery.
    [edit] Awards, honors, and recognitions

    [edit] Military decorations

    Among Benavidez's decorations and medals were the following:
    [edit] Honors and recognitions

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    Roy P. Benavidez Elementary School in Gulfton, Houston, Texas
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    The Texas National Guard armory in El Campo
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    USNS Benavidez
    There are a number of institutions and buildings that bear Benavidez's name. These include:
    • Roy P. Benavidez American Legion Post #400 in San Antonio, Texas
    • Roy P. Benavidez Army Reserve Center, NAS Corpus Christi, Texas
    • Roy P. Benavidez Artillery Training Area 67 at Fort Sill, Oklahoma
    • Roy P. Benavidez City Park in Colorado Springs, Colorado
    • Roy P. Benavidez Elementary School in Gulfton, Houston, Texas
    • Roy P. Benavidez Elementary School in San Antonio, Texas
    • Roy P. Benavidez Foundation, Inc.
    • Roy P. Benavidez Military Range at Fort Knox, Kentucky
    • Roy P. Benavidez National Guard Armory in El Campo, Texas
    • Roy P. Benavidez Scholarship Fund in El Campo
    • Roy P. Benavidez Special Operations Logistic Complex at Fort Bragg, North Carolina
    • USNS Benavidez, a Bob Hope-class roll on roll off vehicle cargo ship
    The conference Room owned and operated by the Department of Military Instruction of the United States Military Academy is the "Benavidez Room". Inside the "Benavidez Room" there are signed pictures of MSG Benavidez, the citation from his Medal of Honor, and a G.I. Joe toy created in his likeness. The room is used primarily for planning Cadet Summer Military Training and hosting visitors.
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    [edit] Notes

    Footnotes
    1. ^ The original, commonly quoted citation as published contained an error that essentially left out a line of text. DA GO 2001-25 corrected that error and replaced it with the text found in the previous two sentences.
    Citations
    1. ^ Last Full Measure of Devotion: A Tribute to America's Heroes of the Vietnam War at Google Books
    2. ^ "Department of the Army General Order 2001-25, Individual and Unit Awards, Sec XIV, Medal of Honor - Amendment". Headquarters, Department of the Army. http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/go0125.pdf.
    3. ^ a b "Department of the Army General Order 1981-08, Award of the Medal of Honor to Master Sergeant Roy P. Benavidez". Headquarters, Department of the Army. http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/go8108.pdf.
    4. ^ Roy Benavidez with Oscar Griffin, The Three Wars of Roy Benavidez (New York: Ballantine, 1986).
    5. ^ Roy Benevidez with John R. Craig, Medal of Honor: One Man's Journey From Poverty and Prejudice, Washington, DC: Potomac Books, 1995.
    6. ^ Goldstein, Richard. "Roy P. Benavidez, Recipient Of Medal of Honor, Dies at 63", New York Times, New York City, December 04, 1998. Retrieved on 2011-02-05.
    [edit] References

    [​IMG] This article incorporates public domain material from websites or documents of the United States Army Center of Military History.
    • Benavidez, Roy P. with Pete Billac (1991). The Last Medal of Honor. Swan Publishers. ASIN B000J3KLN4.
    • Benavidez, Roy; Oscar Griffin (1986). The three wars of Roy Benavidez. San Antonio, Texas: Corona Publishing Co.. ISBN 0-931722-58-6. LCCN 86070715.
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  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    What Ghrit said +1. Also when I read what you posted of the NYTimes article, and then the linked NYTimes article I noted that you honey picked what you chose to post. There is a difference and it is significant. I could easily post the entire article and then highlight and pick apart certain segments. Sorry, but the partial post is biased. Maybe that was not intentional?
     
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I cannot fault Tulli's quoting for inaccuracy or selective quotes. IMHO they are the meat. The net remains, no corroboration.
     
  9. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    I excerpted what I felt were the pertinent points that the speaker was attempting to express, and I identified those points with the word "EXCERPTS." I often post excerpts of articles, rather than the entire text, to make them more succinct; but never with the intent to mislead. I always try to point out that the text is edited, by using the word "Excerpts" and by replacing the missing text with several dots ".......", generally recognized as an indicator that text is missing.

    I'm not sure though of what nefarious intent I'm being suspected. An Iranian scientist has claimed that someone, possibly the US, is intentionally disrupting power to Iranian nuclear research facilities. That is a fact. It is rather an open secret that someone, probably the US, also probably in collusion with Israel, has released multiple computer viruses with the intent of disrupting Iranian nuclear research. It isn't a stretch to believe that someone, possibly the US or Israel, has intentionally disrupted power to these facilities with the same aim in mind.

    I'm not supporting or attacking the scientist who has made these claims, but I actually find them potentially credible. If the US and/or Israel has not been trying to disrupt power to these facilities, they should have been doing so. I thought that the scientist's claims, and the article, were pertinent to the discussion topic of the original post. I thought that providing excerpts would help readers decide whether they were interested in reading the entire article or not. With or without the source link, if you google the article title, the original article readily pops up. Anyone interested in the veracity of my excerpts would need only produce a couple of dozen key strokes to find the original article. Less key strokes than it would have taken to have questioned my posting.

    I'm very sorry to have initially neglected to have included the source link. I'll try to do better in the future.
     
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  10. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    Tac, I have a sneaking suspicion that you were as big a pain in the butt to work with in the military as I was. That you, like I, would occasionally poke someone in the butt with a stick just to hear them grunt. Many is the time that I entered a meeting room to have at least one person bury their head in their hands and audibly groan. They knew that it wasn't going to be an easy meeting.
     
  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    tulianr, yup you pretty much nailed me. I also would use "the letter of the law" ie; the UCMJ to accomplish things some might consider jumping the chain of command or whatever. Obviously, I would support my men and their safety over the wishes of the Captain if we were talking about a possible life or death situation where CNO directives were quite clear, and in a peace time exercise situation the CO wanted to ignore the CNO directive. I shut down my gun for safety reasons and my subordinates knew why. The CO had to fold his hand. I paid for it on an eval however.
    .
    I however was unclear on the excerpts thing and the significance of the ....... sorry, my bad
     
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  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    http://news.yahoo.com/sabotaging-iran-nukes-084500157--politics.html

    Swatting at the hornets nest. More to follow, I am certain.
     
  13. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    Some of my fondest memories of my military years are of a Master Chief or Master Gunnery Sergeant gripping the edges of his desk, red in the face, veins in the temples bulging, near stroke level, screaming at me in impotent rage as I pointed out to them what the regulations actually said, and told them what I was willing to do.

    If I thought I was right, I'd check and make darned sure I was right, and then read them the law. If I was sure I was right, no power on heaven or earth was going to move me. I'm fairly sure that I shortened the lives of a couple of my supervisors. I don't know though, I may have done them a favor. All the blood rushing though their arteries may have cleared some of the plaque out.

    I came home one day and my wife said, "I was signing in at the gym today, and a Master Chief looked over my shoulder and said 'You're not Gunny Reese's wife are you?' When I said that I was, he said 'Oh God!' and stalked off down the hallway. I suppose he knows you?" I replied yes, that the Master Chief and I were old acquaintances.
     
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  14. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey


    Yup, I always figured the Rules were for both sides of the desk.

    I once pulled out the BUPERS Manual to get the alloted clothing for those who did the work. Screams and groans of "we don't have the money." I ask if they would like for that group to do their PMs in the Nude. XO smilled, we had the gear in 24 hours.

    At the same time I "Borrowed" a NEW Pilots Jacket from the Goat Locker that was in fact (for the goat locker) a THEFT of Gov Property.


    ME? Oh I promptly gave the jacket to a young Lady going back home to the Cold Twin Cities, never saw her or the jacket again.

    The neat part was that the Goat Locker screamed so loud, at quarters, about their missing jacket that the old man did a tumble up in their quarters. All their contraband of Jackets was sent back to the Depot.

    Gotta love it when someone sticks it to themselves while trying to hang somebody else.
     
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  17. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    All possibilities, but definitely worst case scenarios. I would be very surprised indeed if even a small fraction of those possibilities came to fruition.
     
  18. CATO

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    I don't know jack squat about the world, but, it seems that just one of these "worst cases" could possibly lead to more than one of the others. For example, just ONE country uses nukes, that's going to lead to another one....then the results of that, then....

    It's a chain reaction.....one of them won't happen alone.
     
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  19. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Agreed. And we don't need to suffer a direct hit - if our main trade partners get nuked, our economy suffers. If we go under, other nations follow - it's all a domino effect. Different AO's will get different calamities, but all will suffer greatly.
     
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    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

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