SHTF gun whats your ideal gun?

I second this. The myth that springs wear out under compression has been circulating the rumor-net for so long, I just gave up.

 

Ok that sounds a whole lot better than switching mags..........Now My questions is if its a 20 round mag can I stack 20 or still stack 18? It was always a pain with my old ak's to switch out mags.

 

That Information is truly appreciated. Now DPMS needs to get off their tails and get a 30 rd mag for the .308's. 20 maybe enough but I like not switching mags out that often. so hey.

 

I believe id take my remington 597 with a 30 rd mag

 

Armalite has a 25 rounder out in their pattern

They had mags on sale during their 12 days of Christmas sale. I bought 10 more. I think the price was around $20 or $25.

 

I guess that I need to get my hands on a armalite catalog, Our local library has there website bloked So I cant see none of their stuff.

 

Why settle for 30rounds when you can go for 50!

 

I'll need to locate one of these for more bang for my buck, less reloading time = more shooting! That and a new shoulder after I run through 2 of these...

 

I looked at the 100 round for M1A from cmag but its very bulky, fully loaded that things has to weigh close to 20lbs. A 50 rd mag, I just wonder how many one can carry loaded.

 

Fully loaded, the 7.62x51 C-mag weighs 10.5 lbs. And yeah - bulky as Hell. There are good reasons the M14 was issued with 20 round magazines.

 

I'm planning on two of these 50 rd drums for each of my PTR 91s/HK91

The rest of my mags will be 20s and 30s

The value is for entrenched positions or assault where the weight is not as much of an issue. Being able to fire off 50 well aimed rds before reload is quite an advantage. For carrying around in the gun? Not so much. They will go in my SAW MOLLE pouches on my Alice pack or Blackhawk patrol vest

100 rd mag of 7.62 would only be practical for a bipod and entrenched position

If you have this weapons system and cannot swing the drum at $230 each, there is an HK 91 43 rd mag.. too tall IMO but it's an option for stand up shooting and maybe being entrenched with a bipod

 

I tried a Beta drum for the AR15 for awhile. Sold it. It's not very practical to have all the bulk and weight of a fire support weapon with none of the firepower.

25 is a good length for an AR10 carbine of sort. 20 rounders are better in the prone. I actually like the 10 rounders for getting really low. 30 seems like too much. IMHO, 20s are the best all around capacity.

If you need fire suppression from a 50 round drum.... you may have made a poor choice.

 

I can agree to the fact that a 50 or 100 round mag can be overkill except in the possiblity has of being entrenched but in ucing a 50 or 100 round clip for fire suppresion you would need a larger caliber such as the 50 bmg. If I were going 50 bmg I want belt fed with water cooling on that barrel. but then the weight really is an issue then.

 

I started out using my Remington 7400 30-06 as my main rifle. I have the Eagle 10 round magazines for it and they work great and fit two to a pouch(Vietnam era) M-16 POUCHES. I would carry 120 round in mags and that seemed a little heavy for me. This moved me to purchase a Bushmaster AR-15 . The .223 rounds are so much lighter and the mags fit in the same pouches. I can use either now. I tried to carry 200 rounds of 30-06 on a 5 mile hike with full pack. Im 52 and made it but I was really hurting by the time I got to the end. Ill stick with .223. Kingfish

 

Some thoughts on Calibre vs number of round carried...

There is a school of thought that say you carry more .223 rounds than -06 or 08 rounds due to the difficulty in guaranteeing a hard drop... due to brush deflection, accuracy, etc...

so 150 rounds of .223/556 would be divided by a third to 50 rounds... i realise that this is old school thinking but wanted to know what other folks think...

 

It's all an issue of caliber. I know its all a matter of opinion but this is the very reason I would love to use the 6.8 remington spc. as my shtf round but the problem is the round is not easily accessable at places such as wal-mart. there are a few places on the net you can readily get this round. Maybe not quite the punch of the .308 or .30-06, with a 270 bullet in a as close to if not a 223 case could pack its own special punch. I havent got to shoot this round yet but believe me I would love to.
but to me it is the best of both worlds,good punch and power to knock down almost anything, but is very weight concience. but will never be a viable shtf round because of availability issues.

 

If 2 legged creatures aren't an issue, I'll grab my 10/22, all my 25 rd. mags and as much ammo I feel I can comfortably carry. The worse that could happen is, I may need to shed the ammo 500 rds. at a time for starting out over zealous.

 

I disagree. Why? There is too many variables to figure in order to place a number-to-drop count. A sorely placed .308 is a whole lot worse than a great placed 5.56.

To list some variables-
Bullet yaw upon impact
Velocity (range) (barrel length)
Placement on a 3D target
Fragmentation
Type of projectile
Clothing of the target
Body armor
Impact upon bone or soft flesh

CNS shots count. Breath takers are great. Bleeders are ok. Bone breakers can stop crazy fast depending on the bone.

These vary too much in any one encounter to put a number-to-drop ratio. I think, unfortunately, too many people draw "expertise" on a single occurrence or even worse, second hand knowledge of an occurrence.

In the end, choose a caliber you like and learn to use it well. A large caliber does not make up for poor shot placement. Larger capacity is a poor trade off for bad shot placement. Double tap everything. Shoot until the target is down.