Peak Oil- what it is and how it will impact your life

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  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    6 Myths about oil speculators

    So now we know who's really responsible for $4 gas. Finger-pointers from Washington, the International Monetary Fund, and even Saudi Arabia no longer seem to buy the idea that the demand for oil around the world is simply growing faster than the supply, driving prices to record highs close to $140 per barrel. There must be a more nefarious reason, it seems. So now entering this drama is a villain everybody can hate: The Evil Speculator.

    At recent congressional hearings, politicians and energy experts argued that speculators have artificially added $30 or more to the cost of a barrel of oil, turned oil trading into a global poker game, and doubled the price of gasoline practically overnight.

    But who are these party crashers? Where did they come from? How are they doing this? And who can stop them? We'd all like to see a superhero swoop in and smite the speculators, saving Gotham from the peril of $4 gas. The only problem is, speculators aren't quite the bogeymen that politicians want us to think—and they even play an important role in the oil markets and the global economy. Some major misconceptions:

    Speculators are inherently bad for the economy. There's no doubt that speculators are out to make money, by buying a commodity like oil (or gold, or real estate) when they think the price is likely to rise and they'll be able to sell for a profit. But they also help sustain the market for buyers and sellers and provide ways for individuals and businesses to offset risks.

    Many companies, for instance, want to lock in the price they're going to pay down the road for petroleum products and other supplies they need to run their businesses. So they make agreements with suppliers on a price they'll pay next year, or the year after, when they actually take possession of the oil. Buying and selling such "futures contracts" makes these companies speculators by definition, since they're placing a bet on the future price of oil.

    Companies doing this kind of hedging include gasoline refiners, airlines, shipping companies, and others that spend a lot on fuel or petroleum. Often they use investment banks or other intermediaries to arrange the deals. They might be gambling, but this kind of speculation actually helps companies run their businesses more smoothly, and if they guess right on future prices, it may give them a competitive advantage against other companies that don't plan as prudently.

    There's a Speculator Star Chamber somewhere. Global markets are so abstruse to ordinary folks that it's easy to imagine a cabal of evil geniuses pulling the levers from some fortified complex in London or Geneva. But that's the Hollywood version. "The market is so competitive that that's nonsense," says Bob Hodrick, a finance professor at Columbia Business School. "There's no way for everyone to communicate and get together and say, 'We're going to buy and drive the price up.' " There are thousands of investors around the world placing bets every day on whether oil prices will go up or down—and they have no way of knowing who their fellow speculators are. All they know is the current price, shown on a computer monitor, plus whatever their own research tells them.

    Speculators are super-rich market manipulators. Certainly some are super-rich, including investors in sovereign wealth funds from Middle Eastern and Asian nations. But new data show that many oil speculators these days may be big pension and index funds that invest on behalf of ordinary working Americans. These huge investment funds have typically invested in equities, but in recent years they've been adding commodities—including oil—to their portfolios as a way to diversify.

    Even if the commodity portion of these portfolios is just 3 or 4 percent, that can trigger big swings in the oil markets, where most investors up till now have been smaller players. "There's no malice or manipulation here," says Ed Krapels, an analyst with the research firm Energy Security Analysis. But the entry of such big institutional investors into the oil market could definitely contribute to rising prices, especially since they tend to buy and hold securities like futures contracts, instead of quickly selling—which contributes to scarcity and rising prices.

    The government tracks speculators and knows who they are. Part of the reason nobody's really sure what effect speculators have on the oil markets is a lack of information. Exchanges like the New York Mercantile Exchange track the activities of their members, but even then, a trader could be a speculator one day, buying oil or futures contracts, and a seller the next day: Nobody checks a "speculator" box when making a trade.

    A recent study by the federal Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which regulates commodities markets, found a big increase in the percentage of speculators buying oil contracts for investment purposes—"paper barrels"—instead of buying because they need the oil. But oil markets are less regulated than markets for stocks or bonds, and there's still a lot that's unknown. Congress has ordered more studies, with new regulation likely as well.

    Speculators are creating a huge bubble in oil. We've just seen a bubble pop in the housing market, with home values now plummeting. And before that, the tech bubble inflated, then burst. But the run-up in oil prices is probably different. The housing boom was generated by cheap and, in some cases, fraudulent mortgages, not by a huge increase in the number of people who needed housing. The tech boom was similar to old-fashioned manias, where investors raced in hoping to cash in on a gold rush and bid the price of technology shares way above their inherent value.

    But in the oil markets, there is in fact growing demand because of strong Asian economies. And supply is fairly fixed for now, since adding more oil to the market means finding new sources and spending billions to extract it, not just opening a spigot a little wider. "There are pretty strong fundamentals behind this run-up," says Sarah Emerson, another analyst at Energy Security Analysis. Speculators may be pushing oil prices somewhat higher than they would otherwise be—but a bust similar to housing or tech stocks seems unlikely.

    Speculators should be banned. Few, if any, economists or energy analysts advocate this. In fact, some fairly modest regulatory changes could bring greater transparency to oil markets and force them to operate more like stock and bond markets. Buying a contract for oil futures, for instance, typically requires the buyer to put down less than 10 percent of the value of the contract; the rest can be borrowed. That allows buyers to roll up big stakes with relatively little cash. Raising the "margin requirement" to 50 percent, the usual threshold for stocks, would cool demand for oil futures, while still keeping the speculators in business. And maybe get the witch hunters off their case.
     
  2. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Cool photos of the flare, MM. That really helped me explain what a flare stack is to the kids (I was attached to the top of one once). :cool:
     
  3. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I'm not completely through the articles at the front of this thread, so maybe I've missed something...

    Can someone explain to me the connection between Peak Oil and the power grid failing when only ~4% of our electricity is made with oil? This seems to come up again and again.

    I understand that utility vehicles, transportation, supply chain etc. related to power generation all rely on oil, but we're not talking about the END of oil, just costly oil.

    So where I live, most of my power comes from nuclear and nat. gas. Even if the fraction of my kilowatt hour that is related to oil cost skyrockets, so what?

    Help me out here.
     
  4. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I don't know what you're referring to as to the power grid. You are right that the majority of electrical power is produced from coal, nuclear, and natural gas. However tho that 4% that does come from oil is a significant number. If it was disrupted the remaining 96% would have to pick up the shortfall on an already overburdened and aged infrastructure. Also I would assume that any effects on electrical production would come in the form of shortages in raw materials derived from oil, such as rubber and plastics.

    and to Tracy;
    "(I was attached to the top of one once). :cool:<!-- google_ad_section_end --> "

    I assume it wasn't lit!!![rofllmao]
     
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  7. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    MM,

    I was referring to this (among other things)

    Power

    The blackouts that hit the eastern USA and Canada in August 2003, and the lesser failure that hit London’s Underground system shortly afterwards shows the how totally dependent we are on electricity power and the dramatic effects that its absence causes. Standard and underground trains came to a halt, trapping people within; lifts stopped between floors; street lamps failed, people poured from the buildings, all increasing the risk of accidents. People were unable to communicate because they had switched from land phones to mobiles. The pressure on the emergency services was immense. Imagine the effects when it was the whole country, not just a few cities that is hit. And if that blackout lasts for days, with more occurring in following weeks.

    When oil begins to decline, the blackouts (and brownouts when power is reduced) will be constant and hit throughout the year. No light, no heating, no cooking (unless you have gas and imagine how the cost of that will rise!) The number of deaths will soar and so will the pressure on the authorities. The emergency services, the hospitals and GPs, welfare – costs will rise as efficiency suffers.

    In time, the number of blackouts will increase and their time lengthen. This is when the very substance of civilisation will be put at risk. Our modern society cannot exist without electricity. It is even more essential to us than oil. Blackouts will take us back to the dark ages – in more respects than one. And that is where the Olduvai Theory comes in (see Olduvai Theory).

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    That's from post #9 in this thread.
    I suppose it's understandable if the author is talking about failures in the system amplified by oil shortages. I don't see oil shortages as directly causing blackouts. More like a consequence of the chaos that will ensue when oil becomes ridiculously expensive.
     
  8. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member


    That's a good catch. I hadn't made that correlation. Oil depletion would not directly effect electrical output so I have to assume that the author is referring to a ripple effect of oil depletion halting the production of needed materials etc. One way or the other, it will be very expensive.
     
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Most power plant fuel is moved with oil and oil derivatives. The incremental increase in electricity costs will be more than a bit measurable.
     
  11. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Here it comes again. The recent economic setback stifled consumption but as the economy recovers so does energy consumption.

    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015
    • Shortfall could reach 10m barrels a day, report says
    • Cost of crude oil is predicted to top $100 a barrel
     
    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian

     
    MISERY FOR MOTORISTS AS PETROL HITS £6 A GALLON
    Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Misery for motorists as petrol hits £6 a gallon

     
     
    Gas Prices Are Up, But Is That A Good Thing?
    Some Predict $4 A Gallon; Analysts Warn Big Spike Could Slow Recovery

    Gas Prices Are Up, But Is That A Good Thing? - cbs2chicago.com

     
  12. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

     
    Senators consider gasoline tax as part of climate bill

    Reporting from Washington

    Leading voices in the Senate are considering a new tax on gasoline as part of an effort to win Republican and oil industry support for the energy and climate bill now idling in Congress.

    The tax, which according to early estimates would be in the range of 15 cents a gallon, was conceived with the input of several oil companies, including Shell, BP and ConocoPhillips, and is being championed by Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

    It is shaping up as a critical but controversial piece in the efforts by Graham, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) to write a climate bill that moderate Republicans could support. Along those lines, the bill will also include an expansion of offshore oil drilling and major new incentives for nuclear power plant construction.

    Environmental groups have long advocated gasoline taxes to reduce fossil fuel consumption; the oil industry has spent heavily in recent years to fight taxes, which it says would harm consumers.

    In this case, though, several oil companies like the tax because it figures to cost them far less than other proposals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, including provisions in the climate bill the House passed last year.

    The Senate bill's sponsors appear to want the revenue raised from the tax to fund a variety of programs that would lower industrial emissions, including helping manufacturers reduce energy use or boosting wind and solar power installations by electric utilities.

    But the tax has encountered stiff behind-the-scenes resistance from some Democrats, who fear the political specter of increasing gasoline prices as the national average cost of gasoline is expected to crest $3 a gallon this summer.

    And no other Republicans have publicly announced support for the framework legislation that Graham and the others are circulating on Capitol Hill. Attracting significant Republican support for a bill featuring a tax increase would run counter to historical political trends and to the anti-tax outrage percolating among the "tea party" activists in the GOP base.

    Sources say the resistance extends to some Obama administration officials. In a statement, White House spokesman Ben Labolt said only that President Obama was "encouraged by the work of Sens. Kerry, Lieberman and Graham to move forward bipartisan, comprehensive energy and climate legislation" and that "we look forward to reviewing the details of the legislation when they are finalized."
     
  13. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Therein lies the problem. This cr*p never goes to where it was intended. Look at all the state "lottery for education" programs. Politicians see that pile of money and siphon it off to who knows where.

    Other than the fact that $ won't go where it is intended, I think it's a good idea.

    The entire issue surrounding peak oil is one of timing. Market forces will work eventually. When oil starts getting too costly, people will figure out how to plug in their cars. Electric companies will see the revenue potential and expand and market to it.

    The danger is that timing will be off and we'll fall off of Hubbert's Peak before the infrastructure is in place to replace it.

    Oil companies are not helping. They're in the oil and gas business, not solar, not wind, not "making oil cheap" business either. They'll continue to pump from dwindling reserves until the black stuff becomes as rare as emeralds. Then they'll file chapter 11. It actually makes sense from a business perspective. If I sell hamburgers and suddenly no-one buys because beef is too expensive and too unhealthy - I probably won't be able to tool up for salads, nor provide them as well as Sweet Tomatoes will. Too much of a risk. Might as well save my well earned profits and move on.

    So we tax and move that money to alternative energy and nukes, hoping that will slow down the depletion and create infrastructure that will be ready for plummet ahead. A bit of socialism and central planning for sure, but maybe it's what's needed. But only if we can get the thieves out of Washington, otherwise that money will vanish.

    Well, that's my 2 cents. I'm a bit opinionated, but I call 'em like I see 'em.
    Maybe someone in the oil business can chime in if my facts are wrong.
     
  14. fireplaceguy

    fireplaceguy Monkey+

    This is what scares me. I would go so far as to say that we may not have enough oil left to get the next infrastructure in place. We continue to burn 85 million barrels of oil each and every day when there's not even a consensus on what the next infrastructure should be. The underlying hard truth is that there is no scalable solution, or even a combination of solutions that will replace black gold. This does not bode well for any sort of economic recovery, let alone an entirely new infrastructure.

    Later:

    I;m not in the oil business, but I've paid a bit of attention to the issue. I do NOT believe depletion can be slowed. Every barrel we save will instead be consumed by China or India, just as fast as it can be pumped from the ground. (I don't wish for one, but I would guess that nothing short of a worldwide economic depression could lessen current demand.)

    Another concern is the unlikely idea that an energy tax could successfully spawn the elusive next infrastructure. This is nearly impossible, given that government spending is almost always misdirected.

    Ethanol is a great example of misdirected subsidy - the ER/EI is roughly 1:1 and without extensive subsidies the whole thing would never have gotten off the ground. It was unsettling to watch food prices escalate as farmland was diverted from edible corn to ethanol corn. The food riots in Mexico were a grim reminder that the world's 7 billion people all wish to eat regularly, and that feeding a staple food like corn to our cars will not endear Americans to a lot of the third world. It doesn't help that corn is a water and fertilizer intensive crop either, and this just points out how misguided government "solutions" tend to be.

    I actually like plug-in hybrid technology. There's a big gain in fuel economy (100+ MPG is already a reality in retrofitted Prius cars) and there's a lot of excess capacity in the power grid at night when most of the cars would be recharged. (Even if we pursued that vigorously it would be a decade before this had much impact on consumption, and it would be futile in terms of slowing global depletion. It's just wise in terms of personal survival to become as fuel efficient as possible.) I think the technology exists to produce a turbo diesel plug-in hybrid that got 125 MPG in normal commuting and over 50 MPG on longer road trips. That's probably the wisest direction to head, since various sources of bio-diesel make more long-term sense than ethanol.

    Nukes and other alternatives are NOT replacements for liquid fuels, although they should be pursued while we still have the oil to implement them.

    It may be that our comeuppance is that we were just smart enough to exploit oil but not smart enough to plan ahead for its depletion. If that proves to be the case, it means an abrupt, unpleasant, bloody and/or hungry end for several billion humans.
     
  15. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    We've tried to be less dependent upon oil by installing a solar panel for our hot water. We've saved significantly in the past two years. Additionally, we installed photovoltaic cells(November, 2009) and have seen our utility bill decrease dramatically. Prices always rise and never go down so ours will hopefully remain lower than the standard.
     
  16. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Yeah. Forgot about them. It's really easy to get myopic about this subject. That's why politicians can demagogue the issue with slogans like "energy independence". Every drop that's pumped ends up in a world commodity market. I read this stuff and still forget that point. Imagine how blind the public is to this notion.

    This speaks to the entire global warming hoax. I believe the whole purpose of the global warming campaign was a misguided attempt to save the world from the looming peak oil disaster (and it was a campaign. That was my first tip-off that it was a hoax).

    Our politicians believe that the people are stupid, they are brilliant and they have a special calling to save the world. Never in their minds could they just make a public appeal that the world is running out of oil. No, the people would better respond to an action packed blockbuster CGI movie and Al Gore's appeal to guilt.
     
  17. fireplaceguy

    fireplaceguy Monkey+

    Politicians (and the folks controlling them from behind the scenes) are first and foremost about POWER. Their POWER.

    As goes participation in the rat race, so goes their power. If word got out that the world was running out of oil, people would drop out of the rat race and turn their lawns into gardens. It's pretty hard to tax a subsistence farmer, so they need us to buy into a bright future and stay in the employ of large companies that can be counted on to withhold and submit taxes.

    My operating premise is that the timing of the economic mess was no accident. Energy demand was soaring and oil prices were starting to reflect the inability to increase production. At just that moment, they orchestrated enough demand destruction to mask the underlying problem. As long as they can destroy demand ahead of the production decline, they mask the truth and stay in power.

    No aspect of the modern economy is sustainable without abundant oil. Demand cannot exceed production or the whole house of cards blows down. That explains why every economic move worldwide is so destructive. They're destroying demand. (I'm open to other explanations for their deliberate harmful acts, but I await one that makes any more sense.)
     
  18. fireplaceguy

    fireplaceguy Monkey+

    Those were very smart things to do. It's an investment in future comfort, when comfort may become very expensive again. As I said, alternatives really aren't scalable but "It's just wise in terms of personal survival to become as fuel efficient as possible."


     
  19. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I hear you.
    But I waffle between seeing things this way and another explanation which is that people are just stupid and greedy.

    I don't think people would start gardens on their lawns. No one wants to scale down. Everyone is thinking "bigger and better" at all times. People will use every bit of denial within the capacity of human psychology to convince themselves that this lifestyle is normal and sustainable.

    They definitely have plots and plans, but I really wonder how often these are successful and how often they blow up in their faces. As far as I can tell, the people in power are human - and not much more intelligent than the rest of us.
     
  20. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    Thinking that the bigger and better lifestyle is sustainable is exactly why this country's in such dire straits economically. But, there are more and more people, like me, who are getting back to basics, living frugally, starting those gardens and conserving. I'd like to think that self-sufficiency means less dependency on a government that can't find it's way out of a paper bag, nevermind give assistance.
     
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