Iraqs' oil the pay off all along??

fridays prison planet:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/130407fraud.htm As us moves to secure large reserves for "oil council" control, iraqi's protest: us out..
Classic case of I told you so's???..

War on Terror looks like a fraud

JOHN GLEESON
Winnipeg Sun
Friday, April 13, 2007​

Contrary to the "patriots" who try to use the deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan to stifle debate on Canada's involvement in the War on Terror, I would say that as new evidence presents itself, we would indeed be cowards to ignore it simply because we've lost troops in the field and are therefore blindly committed to the mission. ​

And new evidence is piling up around us, arguably strong enough to declare the whole War on Terror an undeniable fraud.
Virtually ignored by mainstream media, the Americans showed their hand this year with the new Iraqi oil law, now making its way through Iraq's parliament.
The law -- which tens of thousands of Iraqis marched peacefully against on Monday when they called for the immediate expulsion of U.S. forces -- would transfer control of one of the largest oil reserves on the planet from Baghdad to Big Oil, delivering "the prize" at last that Vice-President Dick Cheney famously talked about in 1999 when he was CEO of Halliburton.
"The key point of the law," wrote Mother Jones' Washington correspondent James Ridgeway on March 1, "is that Iraq's immense oil wealth (115 billion barrels of proven reserves, third in the world after Saudi Arabia and Iran) will be under the iron rule of a fuzzy 'Federal Oil and Gas Council' boasting 'a panel of oil experts from inside and outside Iraq.' That is, nothing less than predominantly U.S. Big Oil executives.
"The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements, which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically U.S.) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq's roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit."
While the U.S. argues that the oil deal will give Iraqis their shot at "freedom and stability," the International Committee of the Red Cross reported this week that millions of Iraqis are in a "disastrous" situation that continues to deteriorate, with "mothers appealing for someone to pick up the bodies littering the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school."
Four years after the invasion, it's becoming pretty clear that Iraq has been "pacified" solely for the purpose of economic aggression. Humanitarian considerations are moot. The awful plight of Iraq's one million Christians, who have no place in the new Iraq, underscores this ugly truth.
Afghanistan, meanwhile, has given the U.S. a strategic military beachhead in Central Asia (which "American primacy" advocates called for in the '90s) and it was quietly reported in November that plans are being accelerated for a $3.3-billion natural gas pipeline "to help Afghanistan become an energy bridge in the region."
With many Americans (including academics and former top U.S. government officials) now questioning even the physical facts of 9/11 and seriously disputing the "militant Islam" spin, with the media more brain-dead than it's been in our lifetimes, now is not the time for jingoism and blind faith in the likes of Cheney, George W. Bush and Robert Gates.
Our young men are worth more than that -- aren't they, Mr. Harper? <!--end-->

 

I've never thought the "given" reasons were true, but do ya think it really is just as simple as "the oil"? I've begun "plot twisting" so much it's almost hard to accept an explanation that simple.

Not that I'd actually doubt it or anything at this point.

 

Oil fields all over the world, especially the super-giant fields in the Middle East - are peaking or declining in production. (the US peaked in 1970) The exact figures are not known because most members of OPEC and other national oil companies do not release figures (or honest figures) for production or reserves. The remaining oil is usually more difficult and more expensive to pump and lower in quality. Most of the earth has been explored with todays high technology and newly discovered fields are smaller in size and are pumped out quickly. It is very unlikely that any more super-giant fields will be found. National oil companies are pushing out the western oil companies.
There is ONE country that has the second largest oil reserves in the world AND only 30% of the country has been explored. The oil is very close to the surface, easy and cheap to extract and is very high quality. Because of a history of war, UN sanctions and other factors its existing fields have not been pumped out much - they are nowhere near peak. Its the last and biggest oil treasure trove in the world, it may turn out to be bigger than Saudi Arabia.
Its IRAQ!!!
And now we have a military base on top of it.
It took a federal court decision to get the papers of VP Cheney's Energy Policy Group of 2001 released - the maps showed that they had already divied up Iraq - what oil company got what part of Iraq - in 2001. The new Iraq constitution makes it clear private oil companies will have a big role in Iraq's future.
1.) The oil companies certainly do recognize peak oil.
2.) The (our) Empire is securing its fuel source.
3.) Payback for nationalization.
Sorry I went on so long, what was your question?

 

Well, looking at things pragmatically, somebody outside the country will control the oil there. EMPIRE is not yet dead! I'd prefer it be US! If the UN or the other Empires get their mits on it, prices will skyrocket worse than it will be if our homegrown jackals have it. Better the Devil we know . . .

Not a PC way of thinking, but then nobody ever accused me of being PC.

 

The worlds oil feilds are peaking. You can bet there will be more wars to to gather up the remaining supplies of oil. This is only the begining ladies and gents. It going to be a rough and wooley ride to the bottom.

OGM

 

Yeah, someone's going to be extracting it and someone's going to be using it. I think its America's last chance to secure cheap oil and remain a superpower, but it ain't going to work if the war keeps dragging out and costing megabucks.

 

I'm not so sure about "cheap" since oil prices have done nothing but go up (And the oil company's profits have gone up even more). It's all relative, though, I suppose.

 

Re: Iraq's' oil the pay off all along??

This is all nothing more than business as usual to screw the stupid American consumer and get antiwar people all exited .

When we went to War for Kuwait they told us how they were second in oil reserves and production now it is Iraq , if we woke up and were at war with yuga bugo land they would tell us they had the most oil .

In all of this BS they conveniently forget how after the breakup of the Soviet Union they told us they have vast reserves that compare as an ocean to a bathtub of Middle Eastern oil yet it isn't being tapped . WHY !

Personally I am sick of all the politics as usual , for 20+ years they have whined about SSI yet both parties have had control and nothing has been done , same thing with Fuel and dependency on foreign oil crap .

I had a coworker years ago who told me while he was in welding school in the 70's big companies had recruiters out for offshore oil rigs when asked about oil reserves he stated that America alone had enough reserves for hundreds of years but had slowed down utilizing them due to "other considerations" he couldn't discuss .

Face it people in the past we needed the Arabs due to logistics and political reasons . Reasons like preventing or even winning WWIII if the Russians or Chinese ever launched a first strike with nukes .

Along the way the big companies and politicians have all gotten together and decided they can screw us and there isn't a thing we can do about it when it comes to fuel . These reports of peak oil and all the other crap are nothing more then shell games to keep most people from seeing the truth .

If all of this garbage were true they would have answers to these problems yet the only answer they can come up with is raise the prices and make more money .

Think about it !

 

Thank you for your reasoned response Minuteman, you covered most of what I wanted to say and more. I would add that with the aftermath of nationalization in the 1970s - the national oil companies and OPEC - that good info on production and reserves is harder to get. Also the western private oil companies now only control a minor part of global production.

About them West Texas oil fields - I heard they was still producing a million gallons a day. Unfortunately its almost all water!!! And the Saudi super giant fields are also producing water.
Also, even before the first Gulf War and the following UN sanctions, Iraq was not pumping their fields very hard because they were at war with Iran from 1980 to 88.

Maybe Big00 could have his own rant page...

 

Nice thread guys, thanks minuteman for lending the benefit of your experience
and knowledge of the oil industry...Now if we could find a reputable climatologist to put this "glob-al gorming" stuff to bed, I don't know who to believe anymore..

 

I've studied it alot and stand behind my statement. I don't have the knowelage that MM has but I've studied it alot, and believe that my statement is well founded.

OGM

 

Minuteman just a few questions .

If the whole thing isn't a giant conspiracy could you please explain why this invention http://www.rexresearch.com/nakamats/nakamats.htm



[SIZE=+1]System for Generating Hydrogen and Oxygen[/SIZE]
March 21, 1995 ~ US Cl. 204/262 [SIZE=+1]Yoshiro Nakamats[/SIZE]

Hasn't been put to use in cars , trucks , planes and water craft ?

As you can see this was 12 years ago when this was patented yet it is funny I haven't seen a single car advertised that burns water of is a water gasoline hybrid .

I freely admit I didn't read the entire thing and wouldn't understand it if I did but I saw this in my local newspaper in the 90's and have been wondering why I hadn't read anything about it's use since .

One other thing I find very interesting is the claim that it is just simple supply and demand that has caused the high prices yet that simply doesn't make any sense .

You see I use to be a big reader of Peterson's Hunting , back in the early 70's late 80's I was reading an article about the rising cost of an African Safari . Take a Wild guess what they claimed was the number one reason the costs were skyrocketing for a Safari ? Gasoline prices ! They had record prices of over $5 a Liter . Now I sure don't see the Nations of Africa even today having a demand on oil so great that their prices could be over 5 times of what Americans pay . Since that time America has seen a quadrupling + of our prices at times "One gallon back then was still under a dollar you know" and they have settled more or less at around 3 times those prices .

Do you think the rest of the world has seen their prices triple in the last few years or could it be we are simply being "brought in line" with what the rest of the world is paying ?

What cost cutting measures are being taken in the drilling of oil ?

Are any of the rigs once they strike a rich deposit being run with solar/electrical Power to conserve the use of oil based fuels ? It is the desert after all .

Perhaps what you are saying is true , then again perhaps you have simply been fed a line to protect the status quo and as far as you know it is true .

You say you're just management in the industry . While I know not a single person in the oil business I do and have known several in Management . It wouldn't be the first time the managers thought one thing yet another was true even to the point of losing their jobs which often totally blindsides them when they least expect it .

 

Local farmers have let the majority of their Hispanic workers who gathered the produce go. They are growing corn for ethanol instead. That means fewer and more expensive veggies and a very expensive hamburger. Did you ever try to eat a steak from a grass fed cow? Get a chainsaw.

We are experiencing a severe drought, worse than the l954 drought that put our small farmers in this region out of business. We have had deep wells of 500 feet go dry in the county. We may not be able to keep watering the garden.

Russia is being encircled by NATO forces. With their history, they won't let it happen again.

My grandchildren live in a priority target area.
I pray a lot. You folks may want to do the same.